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Thread: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    No I understand the distinction but I feel like your all being a little naive if you expect people from around the world to accept being insulted just because your country allows it, this is never been the way of the world. Generally every action has a consequence and at this point anyone with an ounce of commen sense knows how the arab world is going to react and its then where you have to ask "is it worth it?"
    I don't think you do understand the distinction, Higgins.

    Obviously, primitive totalitarians react negatively to having their supremacist mindsets challenged. Their violent reactions are certainly no reason to undermine one's own values, however, even if one expects these infantile rages for which they are so well known.
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    very true in regards to the civil rights marches but could you not also argue that it was your type of "freedom of speech" that allowed white people to ban people of colour from stores, public transport, schools etc in the first place.
    It was many things all based on the law and not freedom of speech. For example, slavery was an economic necessity in the South for a period of time and not a social/legal issue. Once it became a social/legal issue freedom of speech helped effectuate the Civil rights Act of 1964.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    There wasn't, my statement was both humorous and rhetorical.....GEEZ......
    Ok, sorry. The thing is, I started the poll based on things I was reading in other threads. I expected there to be more no votes (at least I hoped so) but did not expect the "yes" people to be this dang shy.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Ok, sorry. The thing is, I started the poll based on things I was reading in other threads. I expected there to be more no votes (at least I hoped so) but did not expect the "yes" people to be this dang shy.
    This is an excellent thread and poll. You have 334 posts and 128 votes. Thank you for coming up with this and doing the leg work...

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    What I find amusing is how one of the very first posts took you to task for even asking such questions in a poll, yet poster after cowardly poster answers a hearty yes in their apologist rhetoric without having the balls to answer a direct "yes" in the actual poll.
    There is some validity in saying a question like my OP shouldn't ever need to be asked, not in the US. In reality though, I think we see there is obviously room for discussion (that's me being diplomatic).

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This is an excellent thread and poll. You have 334 posts and 128 votes. Thank you for coming up with this and doing the leg work...
    LOL, THAT'S more like it. It has been pretty ****ing thankless. I invested a good 5 minutes into figuring out how to add the poll after I accidently posted the OP. Frankly, I'm drained.

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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I don't think you do understand the distinction, Higgins.

    Obviously, primitive totalitarians react negatively to having their supremacist mindsets challenged. Their violent reactions are certainly no reason to undermine one's own values, however, even if one expects these infantile rages for which they are so well known.
    again I understand it I just dont think agree with you.

    Many people on this planet have different customs and beleif systems you can go to many Asian households and you will be expected to take your shoes off, in some parts of the world you stop your car for a Cow not kill it and in other places its rude to shake hands with your left. These are all customs and beliefs that you are expected to follow when your in these countries as a sign of respect and if you dont follow certain customs it can have very bad consequences. In the arab Muslim world it is a insult to potray mohammad as this video did and the reaction is one we have come to expect from this certain area of the world, of course you have every right as an American to **** all over this relgion but is it worth the death of your fellow countrymen or the threat to national security?
    The Arab world is a huge trade partner with the US and provides a great deal of oil etc to the US, you have a large military presence in the area and have been an important part in the shaping of the middle east over the last 60 years. If you want to continue this realtionship ( which is very much in your best interest) I would suggest that insulting their prophet would not be the best way to maintain stability in the region but if people want to continue to insult Islam expect them to react like they have over the past 5 days. Either learn to live with them or leave, pretty simple really.
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    again I understand it I just dont think agree with you.

    Many people on this planet have different customs and beleif systems you can go to many Asian households and you will be expected to take your shoes off, in some parts of the world you stop your car for a Cow not kill it and in other places its rude to shake hands with your left. These are all customs and beliefs that you are expected to follow when your in these countries as a sign of respect and if you dont follow certain customs it can have very bad consequences. In the arab Muslim world it is a insult to potray mohammad as this video did and the reaction is one we have come to expect from this certain area of the world, of course you have every right as an American to **** all over this relgion but is it worth the death of your fellow countrymen or the threat to national security?
    The Arab world is a huge trade partner with the US and provides a great deal of oil etc to the US, you have a large military presence in the area and have been an important part in the shaping of the middle east over the last 60 years. If you want to continue this realtionship ( which is very much in your best interest) I would suggest that insulting their prophet would not be the best way to maintain stability in the region but if people to continue to insult Islam expect them to react like they have over the past 5 days. Either learn to live with them or leave, pretty simple really.

    So, the obvious answer, then, is is to not do these things when you go to Arab countries.

    What you are asking is to change what we do in OUR country, though, Higgins.

    It always boils down to this same double standard, too, even if we did just consider the scenario you posted. "They" are under no compunction to adopt out liberal ways when they come to the west. "WE", on the other hand, are expected to respect their uber-conservative ways when we go there.

    I call bullshite on that one.
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    The Arab world is a huge trade partner with the US and provides a great deal of oil etc to the US, you have a large military presence in the area and have been an important part in the shaping of the middle east over the last 60 years. If you want to continue this realtionship ( which is very much in your best interest) I would suggest that insulting their prophet would not be the best way to maintain stability in the region but if people want to continue to insult Islam expect them to react like they have over the past 5 days. Either learn to live with them or leave, pretty simple really.
    I would say it's *they* who need to learn how to live with the rest of the world.
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    re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I would say it's *they* who need to learn how to live with the rest of the world.
    This has been the consistent message for decades even from their many of their own people.

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