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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    No, it shouldn't be a crime. However, if someone knowingly did so to incite violence, then yes.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    And Canada is a more advanced(socially) than we are.
    Bwhahahahaha!

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I hated "Piss Christ" and despise much of the modern art movement, while I'd love to knock a few teeth loose on the PC creator it is protected speech. Protecting speech that is benign is easy, it's when things get tough that we have to still protect the right. Long answer abridged, HELL NO, though I condemn an attack on any religion personally.
    You do realize Piss Christ was about the lack of respect for Christ, right?

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    No, it shouldn't be a crime. However, if someone knowingly did so to incite violence, then yes.
    This movie was pretty blatant about being totally disrespectful. I think in the trailer, the main guy in the film (I think it was supposed to be Mohammed ) named a donkey a prophet. He defiantly made the movie with the intent of upsetting both Muslims and Jews. So do you think this movie producer should be punished for that?

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    This movie was pretty blatant about being totally disrespectful. I think in the trailer, the main guy in the film (I think it was supposed to be Mohammed ) named a donkey a prophet. He defiantly made the movie with the intent of upsetting both Muslims and Jews. So do you think this movie producer should be punished for that?
    Well, it's hard to prove that his intent was to incite violence.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You hit a bullseye here Pinkie. If protected speech which falls under the SLAPS test(Serious Literary Artistic Political Scientific) and has the highest scope of protection can be violated "for safety" it opens the door for further violations. Any speech out of context can potentially offend someone, it isn't even close to worth banning speech because it offends someone.
    Exactly. Freedom of speech is really the closet thing to an "all or nothing" issue that we have. Censorship and the punishment of unpopular ideas is like a slowly rising ooze that needs constant vigilance to keep under control. Thank god for the ACLU, huh??

    People in this country do NOT have a right to NOT be offended.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Well, it's hard to prove that his intent was to incite violence.
    Then how can that be a prerequisite in your position? You said you are only in favor of punishment if the creator KNOWINGLY did something to incite violence. How would YOU prove that?

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Then how can that be a prerequisite in your position? You said you are only in favor of punishment if the creator KNOWINGLY did something to incite violence. How would YOU prove that?
    I don't know. If in the video, the guy says "I hope this pisses off Muslims".

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    I don't know. If in the video, the guy says "I hope this pisses off Muslims".
    Clearly, this movie was meant to stir up more dirt between Muslims and Jews. If any piece of "art" was created to incite hate and possibly violence, it's the "Innocence of Muslims". So again, should this guy be punished?

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Perhaps this will help to shed some light on it.....

    CERRITOS, Calif. (AP) — While the man behind an anti-Islam movie that ignited violence across the Middle East would likely face swift punishment in his native Egypt for making the film, in America the government is in the thorny position of protecting his free speech rights and looking out for his safety even while condemning his message.

    In America, there's nothing illegal about making a movie that disparages a religious figure. And that has the Obama administration walking a diplomatic tight rope less than two months before the election — how to express outrage over the movie's treatment of Islam without compromising the most basic American freedom. "The thing that makes this particularly difficult for the United States is that ... we treat what most of us would refer to as hate speech as constitutionally protected speech and Americans don't appreciate, I think, how unusual this position seems in the rest of the world," said Lawrence Rosenthal, a professor at Chapman University's School of Law in Orange, Calif.

    The situation also raises vexing questions about how far the government can and should go to protect someone who exercises their First Amendment right. In the past, for example, police have stood guard to ensure Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan could march without being attacked for their views.

    But Nakoula's case invites scrutiny because the free speech he exercised with the film "Innocence of Muslims" has had such far-reaching and violent implications.

    "Yes, we understand the First Amendment and all of this stuff," wrote Khalid Amayreh, a prominent Islamist commentator and blogger in Hebron on the West Bank. "But you must also understand that the Prophet (for us) is a million times more sacred than the American Constitution."

    Were he in his native Egypt, Nakoula could be charged with "insulting religion," a crime punishable by up to three years in prison or could face the more serious charge of "upsetting national security," which carries a life sentence.

    In America, the government can't even order that the video be removed from YouTube. All it can do is ask. And so far, parent company Google has declined, saying the video was within its guidelines for content. The company did restrict access to the video in certain countries, including Egypt, Libya and Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation.....snip~

    Free speech, religion clash over anti-Muslim film - Yahoo! Movies


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