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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I guess the question I would ask, then, is why it was necessary to shield him from view in the first place? Make no mistake -- I have nothing but complete admiration for those who volunteer their time to act as human shields against these vile things -- but if the very fact that they are doing so is what allows the things to continue their actions, then perhaps it is counter productive in the long run.
    I suspect that if the media would stop sensationalizing the issue, and people would ignore them, for the most part, much of it would just fade away. That's the problem with being outraged- it feeds the fire of those that the outrage is directed against.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I suspect that if the media would stop sensationalizing the issue, and people would ignore them, for the most part, much of it would just fade away. That's the problem with being outraged- it feeds the fire of those that the outrage is directed against.
    I agree with this. It was William Randolph Hearst who said, "You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war." All fodder for rageful vengeance over nothing.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I suspect that if the media would stop sensationalizing the issue, and people would ignore them, for the most part, much of it would just fade away. That's the problem with being outraged- it feeds the fire of those that the outrage is directed against.
    Good point. How many members do they even have? Like 50 (at the most)? Yet they gain national attention pretty much any time they want it. It's like feeding real life trolls.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Good point. How many members do they even have? Like 50 (at the most)? Yet they gain national attention pretty much any time they want it. It's like feeding real life trolls.
    That's exactly what it is. They are pretty much a bunch of attention whores, who have no real objective except to get in the news, and make a statement based on absolute idiocy. I seriously have my doubts about even the "religious" aspects of their little show, and view it as a sort of sideshow for publicity.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    I think the people who made this movie defaming Mohammed are real pricks.

    It would be nice if more people weren't pricks.

    But should being a prick illegal? Hell, no.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I think the people who made this movie defaming Mohammed are real pricks.

    It would be nice if more people weren't pricks.

    But should being a prick illegal? Hell, no.
    Yeah, banning tends to have an undesired outcome, as it makes people rebel and become even bigger pricks than they already are, lol.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1
    The amendment covers the government. It shall make no law abrideging Freedom of speech. Joe Blow in your case can sue the hell out of the whoever wronged him and make an appeal on that basis if he has proof. We dont have to have ANY dicusion.
    Once again, "Freedom" did not mean, at the time the Bill of Rights was written, what it means today. By that I mean that the definition of the word itself has evolved over time. It would not have been meant to cover many of the cases you probably think it should. "Liberty" would have been the less restricted word.

    So, in your opinion, perjury should not be a crime? Nor slander or libel? Fraud? Or, how about this: why do we keep Charles Manson locked up? All he did was talk--he never participated in the killings.

    I think it should be clear your position is absurd.
    Last edited by ashurbanipal; 09-17-12 at 09:00 AM.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinke
    No, I have every right to lie freely as long as you have no right to rely on my statements. If you are Muslim and I lie about your faith and you lose your job or suffer in some other way as a result, you might be able to sue me for harrassment or invasion of privacy, etc.
    Well...again, if we're discussing the interpretation of the first amendment, I agree. I specifically said that lying should be permitted, but lying to incite violence should not. In the latter case, however, it should merely be a matter of being able to bring a civil suit. It should also mean jail-time.

    However, in an ideal world, where we are free to imagine an entirely different set of laws, I believe a much larger class of lies ought to become illegal as well.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    Well...again, if we're discussing the interpretation of the first amendment, I agree. I specifically said that lying should be permitted, but lying to incite violence should not. In the latter case, however, it should merely be a matter of being able to bring a civil suit. It should also mean jail-time.

    However, in an ideal world, where we are free to imagine an entirely different set of laws, I believe a much larger class of lies ought to become illegal as well.
    The bolded would require that legal authorities could prove intent to cause violence, based on outcome, and if we were to go there, then virtually anytime someone had their feelings hurt, and decided to go ape**** on someone they didn't agree with, their violent actions could be considered justified. I vehemently oppose a situation where intent could be determined by someone else's inability to control their impulses.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I do, too, for the reason that what they are doing is stalking and harassment rather than indulging in free speech. They are purposely intruding upon the lives of others rather than voicing their opinions in such a way that others are free to take them or leave them. If I were to post some idiotic youtube piece, people are free to take it or leave it. If I followed people around harassing them with the same idiocy to the point they could not avoid me, I would be transgressing.
    Absolutely, I didn't read the brief of the court case so I don't know why the judge sided with them but the WBC are all lawyers so I'm sure they knew exactly where the line was and pushed it to that limit for a a lawsuit. They aren't christians in any true sense of the word and if god struck 'em all down tomorrow few tears woud be shed.
    Last edited by LaMidRighter; 09-17-12 at 01:12 PM.
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