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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Absolutely not.

    That said, there is no constitutional right to speech which incites violence against others. Several other exclusions to "free speech" protections have already been listed... but to make it illegal to criticize a particular religion? Ridiculous.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    I do agree with you on this point.

    I notice that the state of California has introduced new laws which make any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitic that can result in a jail sentence.

    You must be utterly furious at this legal development?
    Completely untrue. HR 35 makes no law whatsoever, and only pertains to anti-semitic activity on California state universities, declaring that certain references to Israel as an Aparthaid or Racist state engaged in Ethnic Cleansing or Crimes Against Humanity are in fact anti-semetic statements.

    Pretty much like Martial Law Rules here in DP's Middle East forum.


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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Why stop at making certain forms of speech a crime?Why not make certain thoughts illegal also while you are at it?<sarcasm>.
    They have: it's called conspiracy.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Completely untrue. HR 35 makes no law whatsoever, and only pertains to anti-semitic activity on California state universities, declaring that certain references to Israel as an Aparthaid or Racist state engaged in Ethnic Cleansing or Crimes Against Humanity are in fact anti-semetic statements.

    Pretty much like Martial Law Rules here in DP's Middle East forum.


    California law denies free speech rights to those criticizing Israel on campus :: News From Underground
    And you agree with this ruling pertaining to Californi state Universities?

    Stange label Anti-semitic - arent Palestinians also Semites

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    No NO NO no no...lol...

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Completely untrue. HR 35 makes no law whatsoever, and only pertains to anti-semitic activity on California state universities, declaring that certain references to Israel as an Aparthaid or Racist state engaged in Ethnic Cleansing or Crimes Against Humanity are in fact anti-semetic statements.

    Pretty much like Martial Law Rules here in DP's Middle East forum.


    California law denies free speech rights to those criticizing Israel on campus :: News From Underground
    Trying to ban any reference to anything on a college campus not only won't work, but is short lived as an idea. On private campusus however that's a different story.
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    And you agree with this ruling pertaining to Californi state Universities?

    Stange label Anti-semitic - arent Palestinians also Semites
    Stop putting words in my mouth. I neither agreed nor disagreed. I simply took a completely untrue statement and clarified it with... oddly enough... the truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Trying to ban any reference to anything on a college campus not only won't work, but is short lived as an idea. On private campusus however that's a different story.
    Actually, not true. The State of California has many rules and regulations regarding the kind of speech, activities, etc., are allowed on state campuses. They've chosen to ban military recruitment of any kind, ban anti-semetic activities in the classroom and on campus, ban hate groups and hate speech in the classroom and on campus, etc.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Stop putting words in my mouth. I neither agreed nor disagreed. I simply took a completely untrue statement and clarified it with... oddly enough... the truth.



    Actually, not true. The State of California has many rules and regulations regarding the kind of speech, activities, etc., are allowed on state campuses. They've chosen to ban military recruitment of any kind, ban anti-semetic activities in the classroom and on campus, ban hate groups and hate speech in the classroom and on campus, etc.
    I don't actually think California could win a court challenge on most of the speech bans. However if the Universities decided to have those parameters depending upon what percentage is private they may have a case. While much of the speech intended to be silenced in those bans (not recruitment for military service) fall under the catagory of disgusting, they should be protected. Of course I have no problem with authorities looking the other way when the hate speakers get "tuned up".
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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    I voted no, but I think a few reasonable caveats should apply. For instance, speech that's clearly intended to stir up violence either by muslims or against muslims, when it's also either misleading or downright false, ought to be illegal. Ditto speech that does so to any other group or entity.

    In other words: "Mohammed was a big fat doodiehead," while obviously ignorant and absurd, shouldn't be illegal. But, "Mohammed was a big fat doodiehead, and all you Bible-believing Christians ought to get your guns and kill your Muslim neighbors because they're going to blow the planet up with a huge nuclear bomb vest" should be illegal.

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    Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

    no, i don't believe we should...I happen to enjoy free speech

    .. but i don't think it will be too many more years before we start doing such things.... we are already moving away from freedoms and liberties, so it's just a matter of time.

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