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Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

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LiberalAvenger said:
I prefer a democrtic society too, free of republicans.
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Gee, and I was expecting a much more enlightened response as to why Obama is NOT leading us into Socialism. Silly me.
 
cpwill said:
yup. and the people in the horse and buggy industry probably hated the automobile. pointing to the creative destruction of the marketplace does not change the aggregate system-wide improvement of that process.
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
I prefer a democrtic society too, free of republicans.
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The wars, all started by the CFR, are redistribution to from the other nations to the multinationals, who in turn finance U.S. politicans. The U.S. elected officials, many being CFR members as well, serve the multinationals, not the American people, the elections being nothing but a stage play and brainwashing advertisement of sorts.

"Although many politicians hold membership, It must be noted that the Council on Foreign Relations is a non-governmental organization. The CFR's membership is a union of politicians, bankers, and scholars, with several large businesses holding additional corporate memberships. Corporate members include:Halliburton of Dubai, British Petroleum, Dutch Royal Shell, Exxon Mobile, General Electric (NBC), Chevron, Lockheed Martin, Merck Pharmaceuticals, News Corp (FOX), Bloomberg, IBM, Time Warner, JP Morgan/ Chase, Manhattan, & several other, major financial institutions."

Obama & The CFR | NowPublic News Coverage

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So, you have to be in favor of getting rid of both parties, because the CFR controls Democrats as well as Republicans. If you've noticed, foreign policy from each party is identical. Its barely a debate point in the political process anymore. No longer is policy debated, just when it should be carried out, is brought up, and even that is suppressed. Whether U.S. wars are legal or illegal under U.N. mandate, or Geneva is never mentioned. Even the fact that the U.N. forbids such wars and views them as crimes is never brought in U.S. corp. press.

Ever notice the corp. media never objected to Libya, Iraq, or U.S. involvement in Syria?

That is because the entrie corp. media, like the two parties, is managed by the CFR.

"The 40 Committee was not only responsible for covert actions abroad but for covert actions focused at the American people. The CFR sponsored covert actions included fixing American presidential elections. The elections were rigged in such a way as to insure an administration, whether Democrat or Republican, packed with 100 or more Council on Foreign Relations members in key administrative positions. In at least five instances the President was a Council on Foreign Relations member (Eisenhower, Ford, Carter, Bush, Clinton). Lists of Council on Foreign Relations members in the Nixon and Clinton administrations are at the end of this article. Similar lists can be made for every presidential administration from Woodrow Wilson on."

portland imc - 2002.07.01 - A NATION DECEIVED , THE SECRET HISTORY BUSH HOPES YOU NEVER SEE

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The reason the John Birch Society and corp. media came up with the mantra that the U.N. was either evil, or ineffective, and needed to be dismantled, and would become "the New World Order"(a charge often repeated by conspiracy sites like Prison Planet or "grassroots" Patriot Groups) was:

1. The John Birch Society was a Defense Dept./CIA front group.
2. The CFR/Defense Dept./State Dept. knew the U.N. would be too democratic and oppose U.S. illegal wars.
3. The CFR controls both parties, the State Dept., the Media, and all U.S. foreign policy makers want no outside interference in how or when the U.S. is allowed to invade a sovereign country.




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Diogenes said:
Not everyone. Some people want to create wealth, and all of our lives are better for their efforts.
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So you want to eliminate the military? Or should they be volunteers who don't get paid and buy their own equipment so that your wealth doesn't have to be redistributed to them?
 
Deuce said:
So you want to eliminate the military? Or should they be volunteers who don't get paid and buy their own equipment so that your wealth doesn't have to be redistributed to them?
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Not at all. All government employees (including the military) are overhead on the economy, but some of that overhead - especially the military (along with fire and police protection) - is necessary, and that is not wealth redistribution since those folks perform a necessary service. Wealth redistribution, Obama style, is taking money from people who earn it in order to enable (and buy the votes of) Peggy The Moocher and her ilk.
 
Diogenes said:
Not everyone. Some people want to create wealth, and all of our lives are better for their efforts.
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Why should the U.S. lower/middle class subsidize the military industrial complex, national security state when the profits go primarily to multinationals and their stockholders, the 1%?
 
Deuce said:
So you want to eliminate the military? Or should they be volunteers who don't get paid and buy their own equipment so that your wealth doesn't have to be redistributed to them?
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That is really a stretch my left wing friend......In your mind funding our military is a redistribution of money huh?
 
Kane said:
Why should the U.S. lower/middle class subsidize the military industrial complex, national security state when the profits go primarily to multinationals and their stockholders, the 1%?
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You fund the military because they protect your ass.....
 
Navy Pride said:
You fund the military because they protect your ass.....
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:roll::roll::roll:

"And just imagine if a new government can get production in a few years time not to pre-war levels of 1.6 million barrels a day, but back to the first years of the Gaddafi era. Output back then, according to energy strategist Mills, was over three million barrels a day."

http://www.edition.cnn.com/2011/BUSINESS/08/25/libya.assets/index.html


http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...ts-redistribute-wealth-43.html#post1060966523
 
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Kane said:
Why should the U.S. lower/middle class subsidize the military industrial complex, national security state when the profits go primarily to multinationals and their stockholders, the 1%?
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Maybe you will have a kind Chinese owner in your future... :roll:
 
Kane said:
Why should the U.S. lower/middle class subsidize the military industrial complex, national security state when the profits go primarily to multinationals and their stockholders, the 1%?
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Keep drinking the koolaid...........
 
Navy Pride said:
You fund the military because they protect your ass.....
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But, to play devils advocate, the military's interest has not always been the citizens of the United States.
 
zstep18 said:
But, to play devils advocate, the military's interest has not always been the citizens of the United States.
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I have no clue what your talking about..........The military works for the people of this country.
 
zstep18 said:
But, to play devils advocate, the military's interest has not always been the citizens of the United States.
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Whose military are you talking about?
 
Kane said:
The wars, all started by the CFR, are redistribution to from the other nations to the multinationals, who in turn finance U.S. politicans. The U.S. elected officials, many being CFR members as well, serve the multinationals, not the American people, the elections being nothing but a stage play and brainwashing advertisement of sorts.

"Although many politicians hold membership, It must be noted that the Council on Foreign Relations is a non-governmental organization. The CFR's membership is a union of politicians, bankers, and scholars, with several large businesses holding additional corporate memberships. Corporate members include:Halliburton of Dubai, British Petroleum, Dutch Royal Shell, Exxon Mobile, General Electric (NBC), Chevron, Lockheed Martin, Merck Pharmaceuticals, News Corp (FOX), Bloomberg, IBM, Time Warner, JP Morgan/ Chase, Manhattan, & several other, major financial institutions."

Obama & The CFR | NowPublic News Coverage

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So, you have to be in favor of getting rid of both parties, because the CFR controls Democrats as well as Republicans. If you've noticed, foreign policy from each party is identical. Its barely a debate point in the political process anymore. No longer is policy debated, just when it should be carried out, is brought up, and even that is suppressed. Whether U.S. wars are legal or illegal under U.N. mandate, or Geneva is never mentioned. Even the fact that the U.N. forbids such wars and views them as crimes is never brought in U.S. corp. press.

Ever notice the corp. media never objected to Libya, Iraq, or U.S. involvement in Syria?

That is because the entrie corp. media, like the two parties, is managed by the CFR.

"The 40 Committee was not only responsible for covert actions abroad but for covert actions focused at the American people. The CFR sponsored covert actions included fixing American presidential elections. The elections were rigged in such a way as to insure an administration, whether Democrat or Republican, packed with 100 or more Council on Foreign Relations members in key administrative positions. In at least five instances the President was a Council on Foreign Relations member (Eisenhower, Ford, Carter, Bush, Clinton). Lists of Council on Foreign Relations members in the Nixon and Clinton administrations are at the end of this article. Similar lists can be made for every presidential administration from Woodrow Wilson on."

portland imc - 2002.07.01 - A NATION DECEIVED , THE SECRET HISTORY BUSH HOPES YOU NEVER SEE

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The reason the John Birch Society and corp. media came up with the mantra that the U.N. was either evil, or ineffective, and needed to be dismantled, and would become "the New World Order"(a charge often repeated by conspiracy sites like Prison Planet or "grassroots" Patriot Groups) was:

1. The John Birch Society was a Defense Dept./CIA front group.
2. The CFR/Defense Dept./State Dept. knew the U.N. would be too democratic and oppose U.S. illegal wars.
3. The CFR controls both parties, the State Dept., the Media, and all U.S. foreign policy makers want no outside interference in how or when the U.S. is allowed to invade a sovereign country.




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Throw all the bums out.
 
Navy Pride said:
I have no clue what your talking about..........The military works for the people of this country.
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Address why ALL the Republican candidates besides Ron Paul
are all uniformly pro-war.

Is it because Republicans are ALL BOUGHT OFF, BRIBED WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM THE DEFENSE LOBBY AND BIG OIL?
 
Kane said:
Address why ALL the Republican candidates besides Ron Paul
are all uniformly pro-war.

Is it because Republicans are ALL BOUGHT OFF, BRIBED WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM THE DEFENSE LOBBY AND BIG OIL?
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Dude, I disagree with most Republicans on almost everything but don't you think it's time to give it a rest?
 
Yes, yes. Run and hide conservative, or just start a new thread when the discussion gets too hot, or the facts get too REAL for you. Make sure the new thread is based on some cozy FALSE PREMISE to begin with, so respondents have to battle their way back to reality, with all the Republican lies to stymie them in the process. Its the only way Republicans can have a confab, is to begin with a falsehood.

Manipulate the economic factors - corrupt business - burn baby burn Enron, as Arnold the Barbarian and had secret meetings with Ken Lay his big donor - Yes - a combination of manipulated factors. The glut of oil has flooded the market. Prices are being pushed artificially high by price fixing and U.S. corruption. Closing refineries, hoarding supply, secret agreements between producers, invading oil producing countries, you know, the usual thing that has been happening the last ten years.

Also in how long could Bush and the GOP could suppress facts about housing bubbles and the coming banking collapse until he was out of office. According to Tim Geitners Congressional testimony , they knew and I quote - "There were significant problems with the banks," as far back as 2005.

Funny how Republicans ALL talk like they're PR spokesmen for the military industrial complex, and simultaneously the protectors of freedom and the Constitution.:roll:

They never saw a war they didn't love and cheerlead for, except the masses have to do all the dying.

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"At this point in history when the degree of wealth inequality has reached such staggering proportions that the richest 400 people have the same wealth as the bottom 154,000,000 people, when unemployment and foreclosures rates are high, when tens of millions can’t afford health care and students can’t afford to go to college, those in power are fearful that the people will rise up."

OCCUPY: Infiltration of Political Movements is the Norm, Not the Exception in the United States.

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*Author Stephen Glain: $10 Trillion missing from Pentagon since 1991* :* Information Clearing House News

Report: Military Blew $1 Trillion on Weapons Since 9/11 | Mother Jones

The War On Waste - CBS News


Was the Petrol Price Rigged Too?

Land Destroyer: New Libyan "PM" is Big-Oil Goon

Land Destroyer: Syrian NGOs Working Directly With British Government
 
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Kane said:
Yes, yes. Run and hide conservative, or just start a new thread when the discussion gets too hot, or the facts get too REAL for you. Make sure the new thread is based on some cozy FALSE PREMISE to begin with, so respondents have to battle their way back to reality, with all the Republican lies to stymie them in the process. Its the only way Republicans can have a confab, is to begin with a falsehood.
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It's funny to see a lecture about advancing "falsehoods" from a 9-11 truther. Lol.
 
X Factor said:
It's funny to see a lecture about advancing "falsehoods" from a 9-11 truther. Lol.
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Well, he is actually quite right in this respect. However, I would say that both parties are controlled by the same corporations and thus, when one looks at their policies, there are no serious differences.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Well, he is actually quite right in this respect. However, I would say that both parties are controlled by the same corporations and thus, when one looks at their policies, there are no serious differences.
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Look at the part I specifically quoted (or his entire post for that matter) that I replied to and tell me what you think he's right about.
 
Kane said:
Address why ALL the Republican candidates besides Ron Paul
are all uniformly pro-war.

Is it because Republicans are ALL BOUGHT OFF, BRIBED WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM THE DEFENSE LOBBY AND BIG OIL?
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Or maybe it is because wars like Iraq lead to things like the Arab Spring which bring democracy to regions that never saw it before. Just a thought.
 
X Factor said:
It's funny to see a lecture about advancing "falsehoods" from a 9-11 truther. Lol.
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As much as it pains me to stick up for him:

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X Factor said:
Look at the part I specifically quoted (or his entire post for that matter) that I replied to and tell me what you think he's right about.
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I agree with this part

The glut of oil has flooded the market. Prices are being pushed artificially high by price fixing and U.S. corruption. Closing refineries, hoarding supply, secret agreements between producers, invading oil producing countries, you know, the usual thing that has been happening the last ten years.

Also in how long could Bush and the GOP could suppress facts about housing bubbles and the coming banking collapse until he was out of office. According to Tim Geitners Congressional testimony , they knew and I quote - "There were significant problems with the banks," as far back as 2005.

Funny how Republicans ALL talk like they're PR spokesmen for the military industrial complex, and simultaneously the protectors of freedom and the Constitution.
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However, I would say that it is both parties. In addition to this, I have evidence that ratings agencies like S&P had internal memos that the whole housing bubble was going to collapse, however, they ignored those memos and kept it going.
 
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