Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

Navy Pride said:

redistribution of wealth is taking money from the rich and spending it on failed welfare programs..........

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liblady said:

In fact, np, he does. He wants to make sure people like you are taken care of. Romney and Ryan? Not so much. You do know Ryan voted against veterans benefits, right?

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liblady said:

I think Romney has been running for president since he took over the Olympics.

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disneydude said:

Its also tax cuts for the wealthy paid for by cuts to the elder, the middle class and working class and spending it on failed "trickle down" economics.....but you guys always "conveniently" overlook that.

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Thrilla said:

good... kudos to Ryan for that vote.... not a damn thing wrong with voting "no" for more spending when we are 16trillion in debt, with no end in borrowing in sight.

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Thrilla said:

tax cuts are not wealth redistribution..... I don't care how many times you people argue as much, it will never be true.

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liblady said:

Bull****. They want to cut taxes for the wealthy, yet again, and they want to **** the very people who made it possible for wealthy to exist. There is something very wrong in America today. **** the elderly, **** the young, **** women, **** the handicapped. I say it's time to **** the wealthy and start behaving as though we have a collective conscience.

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Thrilla said:

some folks say Obama has been running for Prez since his days at Haaahhhvard. <shrugs>..

folks who really really want to be Prez are usually the last folks we should allow to be Prez. their motives are always suspect.

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Thrilla said:

it's time to put the kool aid down.

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Einzige said:

When they are selective, again, they absolutely are.

You have two businesses. Business A is a domestic producer of widgets. Business B is a foreign producer of widgets that sells widgets in your domestic markets. You want Business A to be competitive against Business B, so you cut its corporate taxes while maintaining the import taxes on Business B. You've just penalized Business B and, in effect, redistributed its profits to Business A.

A real-life example would be the Earned Income Tax Credit, which I support.

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Thrilla said:

no, you have not redistributed any profits to business A.. as you have not transferred anything to business A....sorry.

you have simply confiscated less from Business A than Business B.

end result is that business A has more money in it's coffers than Business B due to taxation differences... but that doesn't make it redistribution.

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Thrilla said:

tax cuts are not wealth redistribution..... I don't care how many times you people argue as much, it will never be true.

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President Obama has cut taxes for middle-class families and small businesses. One of the first things he did in office was cut taxes for 95 percent of working families. He has also signed 18 tax cuts for small businesses and extended the payroll tax cut for all American workers and their families, putting an extra $1,000 in the typical middle-class family’s pocket.

For too long, the U.S. tax code has benefited the wealthy and well-connected at the expense of the vast majority of Americans. That's why President Obama proposed the Buffett Rule, asking millionaires and billionaires to do their fair share. But if you're one of the 98 percent of American families who make under $250,000 a year, your taxes won’t go up.


The President has asked Congress to take action to reform our tax code and close tax loopholes for millionaires and billionaires, as well as hedge fund managers, private jet owners, and oil companies.

President Obama supports reform that cuts corporate tax rates, closes loopholes, and rewards investment in America to make our businesses and workers more competitive in a global economy.
http://www.barackobama.com/record/taxes

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Navy Pride said:

What do you think and why would he want to do that?

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Dion said:

Well then you just made a case for Obama! I am one of the upper middle class full time worker that benefited and pays lower taxes under Obama and was able to keep my sons on my private health insurance policy!


President Obama has cut taxes for middle-class families and small businesses. One of the first things he did in office was cut taxes for 95 percent of working families. He has also signed 18 tax cuts for small businesses and extended the payroll tax cut for all American workers and their families, putting an extra $1,000 in the typical middle-class family’s pocket.

For too long, the U.S. tax code has benefited the wealthy and well-connected at the expense of the vast majority of Americans. That's why President Obama proposed the Buffett Rule, asking millionaires and billionaires to do their fair share. But if you're one of the 98 percent of American families who make under $250,000 a year, your taxes won’t go up.


The President has asked Congress to take action to reform our tax code and close tax loopholes for millionaires and billionaires, as well as hedge fund managers, private jet owners, and oil companies.

President Obama supports reform that cuts corporate tax rates, closes loopholes, and rewards investment in America to make our businesses and workers more competitive in a global economy.

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liblady said:

Actually, tonight it's puerto rican beer, medalla. Why should the disadvantaged ALWAYS be the first to pay for massive mistakes in republican administrations?

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Krystov said:

His tax code reform cost my parents an additional 2000 in taxes in the middle class.

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President Obama as promised delivered tax relief for 95 percent of working families. As Steve Benen noted at the time, it was the largest two-year tax cut in American history. But thanks to the jet-engine decibel level of right-wing rage, a cacophony willingly amplified by the media, that accomplishment was drown out. As the New York Times asked just before the 2010 midterm elections, "What if a president cut Americans' income taxes by $116 billion and nobody noticed?

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liblady said:

I absolutely do not believe "social justice" is pissing money away.

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liblady said:

As a society, we are only as great as how we treat the least of us. We have a duty to provide for our fellow citizens who are incapable of doing so, period. As far as spending, I would much rather spend money on school lunches than on ****ed up mother ****ing godamned wars.

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Dion said:

Well then you just made a case for Obama! I am one of the upper middle class full time worker that benefited and pays lower taxes under Obama and was able to keep my sons on my private health insurance policy!


President Obama has cut taxes for middle-class families and small businesses. One of the first things he did in office was cut taxes for 95 percent of working families. He has also signed 18 tax cuts for small businesses and extended the payroll tax cut for all American workers and their families, putting an extra $1,000 in the typical middle-class family’s pocket.

For too long, the U.S. tax code has benefited the wealthy and well-connected at the expense of the vast majority of Americans. That's why President Obama proposed the Buffett Rule, asking millionaires and billionaires to do their fair share. But if you're one of the 98 percent of American families who make under $250,000 a year, your taxes won’t go up.


The President has asked Congress to take action to reform our tax code and close tax loopholes for millionaires and billionaires, as well as hedge fund managers, private jet owners, and oil companies.

President Obama supports reform that cuts corporate tax rates, closes loopholes, and rewards investment in America to make our businesses and workers more competitive in a global economy.

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Dion said:

Well then you just made a case for Obama! I am one of the upper middle class full time worker that benefited and pays lower taxes under Obama and was able to keep my sons on my private health insurance policy!


President Obama has cut taxes for middle-class families and small businesses. One of the first things he did in office was cut taxes for 95 percent of working families. He has also signed 18 tax cuts for small businesses and extended the payroll tax cut for all American workers and their families, putting an extra $1,000 in the typical middle-class family’s pocket.

For too long, the U.S. tax code has benefited the wealthy and well-connected at the expense of the vast majority of Americans. That's why President Obama proposed the Buffett Rule, asking millionaires and billionaires to do their fair share. But if you're one of the 98 percent of American families who make under $250,000 a year, your taxes won’t go up.


The President has asked Congress to take action to reform our tax code and close tax loopholes for millionaires and billionaires, as well as hedge fund managers, private jet owners, and oil companies.

President Obama supports reform that cuts corporate tax rates, closes loopholes, and rewards investment in America to make our businesses and workers more competitive in a global economy.

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President Obama has cut taxes for middle-class families and small businesses. One of the first things he did in office was cut taxes for 95 percent of working families. He has also signed 18 tax cuts for small businesses and extended the payroll tax cut for all American workers and their families, putting an extra $1,000 in the typical middle-class family’s pocket.
For too long, the U.S. tax code has benefited the wealthy and well-connected at the expense of the vast majority of Americans. That's why President Obama proposed the Buffett Rule, asking millionaires and billionaires to do their fair share. But if you're one of the 98 percent of American families who make under $250,000 a year, your taxes won’t go up.
The President has asked Congress to take action to reform our tax code and close tax loopholes for millionaires and billionaires, as well as hedge fund managers, private jet owners, and oil companies.
President Obama supports reform that cuts corporate tax rates, closes loopholes, and rewards investment in America to make our businesses and workers more competitive in a global economy.

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Thrilla said:

well, they don't... you are buying the koolaid without checking to see if it's tasty and true.

the "disadvantaged" rarely, if ever, pay for anything having to do with government.... that is simple fact.
it's even rare that the disadvantaged have benefits cut or reduced... extremely rare.

the most that you can accurately say is that their benefits don't grow as fast as they do at other times...or in the case of SS, they have to wait longer to collect.
but the idiotic campaign rhetoric you are parroting is simply false.

iuf anyone should be bitchin, it should be me... watching as the government is transformed into one bigass handout factory of bloated wasteful behavior... watching as a government provides incentives for sloth, greed, thievery,and unproductive behavior ...of rich and poor alike.
democrats and republicans have very little to whine about, overall... y'all get everything you want from mommy government, and it's all paid for from the magical money tree that grows out behind the Mint.. y'all whine about the poor needing this, the rich needing that, the minorities needing this, the spotted owl needing that..wants. needs, and desires are covered... and not a one of you has figured out how to pay for them all.

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Thrilla said:

when quoting directly from a source, you are required to give the link..else it's considered plagarism.

here.. i'll do it for you.

Taxes — President Obama’s Record — Barack Obama

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Dion said:

Oh I know that and do ... yet the track back missed.

Now ... lets here your refute!

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Viktyr Korimir said:

It absolutely is, when 'justice' has no basis in sound economic principles and will only contribute to greater hardship.

Before he passed away, my father told me a story about when he was a schoolboy. The schools were holding fundraisers, gathering up nickels and dimes, in order to free the Christian slaves in the Sudan. The idea was, they'd take this money into Africa and buy as many slaves as they could and set them free. They discontinued this program in short order when they discovered that the number of slave raids and slaves taken had more than tripled almost overnight-- it turns out the slavers liked good American money.

Read in the news recently that some townships are considering 'solving' the housing crisis through eminent domain: people in underwater houses would apply for assistance, and the government would use eminent domain to seize the property from the bank-- at current market value-- and sell it back to the homeowner at a reduced rate. I'll leave it to your imagination what this is going to do to the housing market if it ever actually happens.

The problem with 'social justice' is that it is applying moral principles to amoral systems. The economy isn't a social institution, it's the jungle and the law of the jungle can not be denied; panthers that refuse to eat bunny rabbits starve.



Sure. Hell, I've seen studies that say every dollar we put in the public schools is worth three dollars of tax revenue. I'm not opposed to investing in infrastructure and education and human services-- I'm just opposed to the typically idiotic left-wing way of screwing those things up.

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