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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    You have a lot of opinions, but without facts, not many that have been based on reality, IMHO.
    And you've made your responses so labor-intensive to respond to with your repeated refusals to pay attention to my recommendations about multi-quoting that I'm not going to put in more time addressing all of your tangential distractions.

    In short, I am not accusing Obama of starting this bull****. I'm accusing him of perpetuating or accelerating it. He's not putting an end to any of the ****ty Bush policies, or the policies that started well before Bush II, he's extending them. He's the same breed of everything liberals think they're "fixing" about Republican policies. It's all continuing or worsening.

    I've given examples and encouragement to read up on it. Your choice to actually do so, vs. continue to toot your partisan horn.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    You mean the gap between the rich and poor grew bigger?
    no. that has literally nothing to do with the post you quoted.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    And you've made your responses so labor-intensive to respond to with your repeated refusals to pay attention to my recommendations about multi-quoting that I'm not going to put in more time addressing all of your tangential distractions.

    In short, I am not accusing Obama of starting this bull****. I'm accusing him of perpetuating or accelerating it. He's not putting an end to any of the ****ty Bush policies, or the policies that started well before Bush II, he's extending them. He's the same breed of everything liberals think they're "fixing" about Republican policies. It's all continuing or worsening.

    I've given examples and encouragement to read up on it. Your choice to actually do so, vs. continue to toot your partisan horn.
    In some areas, I agree. And while that may be true in those areas, to deny the fact the republicans are stopping any progress to make on the economy is equally misrepresenting on your part.

    I don't deny Obama is a neoliberal. But you haven't proven your point in this thread.
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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no. that has literally nothing to do with the post you quoted.
    It truly does. And it demonstrates your misrepresentation about the rich paying MORE In taxes by leaving out their INCOME grew considerably more than anyone else's in this economy.

    The gap created the ability to lower taxes for the rich and they paid MORE in taxes...that's a whole lot more money given from tax cuts than the rest of us got.
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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    It truly does. And it demonstrates your misrepresentation about the rich paying MORE In taxes by leaving out their INCOME grew considerably more than anyone else's in this economy.
    never mind. If you lack the reading comprehension (or willingness) to actually respond to what people post, then you aren't worth it.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    It truly does. And it demonstrates your misrepresentation about the rich paying MORE In taxes by leaving out their INCOME grew considerably more than anyone else's in this economy.

    The gap created the ability to lower taxes for the rich and they paid MORE in taxes...that's a whole lot more money given from tax cuts than the rest of us got.
    your entire argument is From each according to their ability (as decreed by parasites and taxers) .

    tell me what direct government benefits do the rich get that you do not get?

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your entire argument is From each according to their ability (as decreed by parasites and taxers) .

    tell me what direct government benefits do the rich get that you do not get?
    Oil depreciation allowance.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    Well, maybe, but first, I've asked you some questions. You should answer them...though I suspect you will not, as you are as aware as I that any reasonable answers you give will show your position is untenable.
    I take that "Well, maybe" to mean "No" you have no alternative suggestions for defining "social justice." If you care to offer something, we can resume the conversation.
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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    How can the rule of law be dishonest? Like taxation is stealing?
    Distorting the intent and meaning of the law is dishonest. You know, like claiming the "general welfare" clause means "from each according to his abilities, and to each according to his needs."
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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I find it very hard to believe that there was a 90% income tax (for ~20 years), on anyone. What is that tax bracket?
    That was the marginal rate at the upper end. I doubt that anyone actually paid it because anyone with that kind of money could rent a politicians to get him a loophole.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So if one made 200k, one took home 20k after federal income tax alone was deducted? I don't believe that. What would be the point of working anything but a menial job that one doesn't have to care about.

    What was the tax bracket on 30k? Would I net the same?!
    If you look at an income tax form, you will see that the rates apply only to income above a certain level.
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