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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Harry Reid? Oh mercy.. Guess I am not as partisan as you.. Hold their feet to the fire... and vote the ejits out of office regardless of what 'party" the claim.
    how partisan am I?

    in all the presidential and congressional election i've voted in... the majority of my votes went to Democrats, then Republicans,then Independents, then Libertarians, and then the Reform party and Constitution party....

    oh yeah, I voted against Harry in his last run...and against Sharon Angle in the same race ( I cast for Tim Fasano(I))

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    By talking?

    Show some facts and examples.
    PPACA -- it expands ACCESS to health care without making care affordable. Another example of stating a goal while in reality working directly against it. It bails out the poor by guaranteeing them coverage and it bails out the health insurance companies by protecting their revenue via mandate. The people this hits hardest? The middle class, who can JUST BARELY afford to continue forking over those huge amounts for premiums. The outliers (poor and rich) are done major favors, and the burden of paying for it is, once again, on the middle class.

    Agriculture -- How are the middle class helped by a pro-food stamps, pro-biotech USDA and FDA? Obama appointed Tom Vilsack, founder of the Governor's Biotechnology Partnership, to head the USDA, and we've seen the food stamps program expand. He nominated Michael Taylor, the revolving door executive for Monsanto, to a senior position within the FDA. Food stamps bail out the poor and insure revenue for the largest biotech corporations that have taken over our food production process. The middle class derives the least benefit and greatest relative cost from this pro-welfare (corporate AND social welfare) approach to agriculture.

    Banking -- We have one of the most pro-Goldman/JP Morgan/BoA/Wells Fargo/Citigroup administrations in history, and Obama brokered and supported the TARP which benefits the wealthy bankers while the poor remain excused from the tax burdens that these bailout programs create.

    It goes on and on. Obama is anti-Middle Class. He alleges to be working for them, and that is his greatest lie.
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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    You consider this a SERIOUS bill?

    Dollar Repatriation Tax Holiday Bill to Be Introduced by Hagan, McCain - Bloomberg



    More giveaways for multinational corporations

    yes, i considered it a serious bill.... it taxed repatriated profits ( aprox 1.7 trillion bucks worth) at 8.75%.. with incentives to lower that to 5.25% if certain employment creation conditions were met ( a 10% increase in US jobs was required to get the lowest rate).

    the alternative is and was... a 35% tax on $0.00 in repatriated profits and no new job creation incentives

    congratulations, the Obama administration and Harry Reid chose the route that gained us $0 in tax revenue and no new jobs....well done.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yes, i considered it a serious bill.... it taxed repatriated profits ( aprox 1.7 trillion bucks worth) at 8.75%.. with incentives to lower that to 5.25% if certain employment creation conditions were met ( a 10% increase in US jobs was required to get the lowest rate).

    the alternative is and was... a 35% tax on $0.00 in repatriated profits and no new job creation incentives

    congratulations, the Obama administration and Harry Reid chose the route that gained us $0 in tax revenue and no new jobs....well done.
    The only thing serious in THIS bill were more tax cuts for the rich corporations..with a "tax Holiday" or NOT paying taxes..and then letting corporations pay LESS in taxes for being overseas. Reid SAVED the debt from INCREASING with yet more tax cuts for the rich.
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    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Just hit 'em with a couple of them, and that's the quick end of that graph. Be sure to point out how there was no 47% without income tax back then, too.
    everybody, across the board, paid significantly more in taxes back then.. poor ,rich, and in-between

    folks don't want that now... folks want the other guy to pay more.... the lower classes think the should get breaks and the rich should pay more... the upper classes they feel they pay enough or too much and want the 47% to chip in.

    our current political leadership mirrors these sentiments.

    until the right person comes along to motivate everyone to chip in together, we're gonna be in trouble.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    The only thing serious in THIS bill were more tax cuts for the rich corporations..with a "tax Holiday" or NOT paying taxes..and then letting corporations pay LESS in taxes for being overseas. Reid SAVED the debt from INCREASING with yet more tax cuts for the rich.
    that's one way to spin it I suppose.

    ya know what else Harry Reid did?... he gave corporations incentives to not repatriate profits.

    for me, I think i like the idea of getting 8.75% of over a trillion bucks as opposed to 35% of nothing.... i'm funny that way.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    everybody, across the board, paid significantly more in taxes back then.. poor ,rich, and in-between

    folks don't want that now... folks want the other guy to pay more.... the lower classes think the should get breaks and the rich should pay more... the upper classes they feel they pay enough or too much and want the 47% to chip in.

    our current political leadership mirrors these sentiments.

    until the right person comes along to motivate everyone to chip in together, we're gonna be in trouble.
    I think if we look at the rates comparitively, we'll find that there is a larger gap between 30k and 200k today (23% then).

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    PPACA -- it expands ACCESS to health care without making care affordable. Another example of stating a goal while in reality working directly against it. It bails out the poor by guaranteeing them coverage and it bails out the health insurance companies by protecting their revenue via mandate. The people this hits hardest? The middle class, who can JUST BARELY afford to continue forking over those huge amounts for premiums. The outliers (poor and rich) are done major favors, and the burden of paying for it is, once again, on the middle class.


    How do you figure? IF insurance companies have NO regulation, they STILL have to have consumers. Premiums will DROP so that others can get on THEIR health insurance plan. I realize the monopolies price fixing and gouging economy the republicans have created with the "free market" have left many without any compass for what constitutes capitalism, but this is not going to hurt the middle class, who will be shopping for the best deal...and companies willing to make that offer.

    Agriculture -- How are the middle class helped by a pro-food stamps, pro-biotech USDA and FDA? Obama appointed Tom Vilsack, founder of the Governor's Biotechnology Partnership, to head the USDA, and we've seen the food stamps program expand. He nominated Michael Taylor, the revolving door executive for Monsanto, to a senior position within the FDA. Food stamps bail out the poor and insure revenue for the largest biotech corporations that have taken over our food production process. The middle class derives the least benefit and greatest relative cost from this pro-welfare (corporate AND social welfare) approach to agriculture.

    Foodstamps have expanded due to republcian slashing of government jobs. The tea party governors got rid of teachers, as well, and took funds from the PUBLIC education to go to charter schools where most of the "teachers" have no degrees and are paid very poorly. The military qualifies for foodstamps if they have a family. When government middle class jobs disappear at the rate and frequency the republicans have been doing for 5 years, then you have slow to no private sector growth and an increase in food stamps.

    Banking -- We have one of the most pro-Goldman/JP Morgan/BoA/Wells Fargo/Citigroup administrations in history, and Obama brokered and supported the TARP which benefits the wealthy bankers while the poor remain excused from the tax burdens that these bailout programs create.

    Bush and Henry Paulson, his Treasury Secretary who just left his post as CEO of Goldman/Sachs brokered the Bank deal, along with the AIG insurance deal and others. They gave over $1 trillion to failed businesses because they were monopolies. KNow hat the kicker is? The Federal Reserve GAVE the banks $7 trillion just before. Think Bush knew? Of course he did.

    The poor pay taxes....the fact they make so LITTLE money during the year means they don't pay INCOME tax with the IRS, but they pay federal taxes all year long. And State and local and county and all the other taxes on gas and phones and . . .


    It goes on and on. Obama is anti-Middle Class. He alleges to be working for them, and that is his greatest lie.
    You on the right can't have it both ways. You've talked yourself in circles to the point no one believes you anymore. FIRST, you want government OUT of our lives...NO regulation on wages and health insurance and safety on the job. NO regulation protecting from cancers emitted from factories. THEN you say the GOVERNMENT doesn't create jobs, the rich create jobs and you cheer the republicans SLASHING Middle class jobs and getting RID of middle class wages and then wonder why the rich aren't creating jobs? Make a note to yourself...corporations about PROFITS...not JOBS.

    Now you say you blame Obama for NOT doing enough for the middle class DESPITE the fact that if a person CANNOT afford health insurance, the government will assist. That insurance companies can't DROP a person when they become sick or another carrier can't STOP coverage on conditions which existed BEFORE. STUDENTS are covered on health care plans by their parents while they are getting a degree.

    Tea Party governors are PUSHING the Koch Brothers ALEC legislation for the "Right to Work" laws which ALLOWS employers to LOWER wages of employees and to pay a LOT less in wages to teens and retired people.


    You are right..there is a war on the Middle class. But just like the war on women, it's coming from the pro-rich/pro-corporatoins are people , right
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    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that's one way to spin it I suppose.

    ya know what else Harry Reid did?... he gave corporations incentives to not repatriate profits.

    for me, I think i like the idea of getting 8.75% of over a trillion bucks as opposed to 35% of nothing.... i'm funny that way.


    Oh, that's not spin. That's the facts. And show me the link to your Reid accusation, if you would.
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    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    The only thing serious in THIS bill were more tax cuts for the rich corporations..with a "tax Holiday" or NOT paying taxes..and then letting corporations pay LESS in taxes for being overseas. Reid SAVED the debt from INCREASING with yet more tax cuts for the rich.
    Corporations rarely pay taxes..... they have too many deductions and loopholes.... but I think a progressive tax would be ideal..

    Say some ceiling of 300k paying 10% across the board and everyone above that paying 20%..

    Of course it would never happen.. with 8,000 pages of tax code, special interests exemptions are the name of the game and gives idiot politicians their power.

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