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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Most governments...Well heck most people have realized the need for a clean public water system (especially after cholera outbreaks I'd suspect) over the years.
    Exactly and that's why the people made a compact and created the US Constitution to provide for the general welfare of the people.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes
    "Willing" means voluntary, you have a choice. Your body's demand for water is your problem, not mine, and not that of society or the government. Likewise with your wishes for more pay and a better standard of living - if you want more money for your time, it is up to you to find someone who thinks you are worth what you want. If you feel coerced, you are coerced only by your own desires and that is your problem alone, not anyone else.
    So, by the same reasoning, a person who is mugged and is given the choice "your money or your life" chooses to give up their money? I mean, if the person's desire for life is what is coercing them (as seems certainly to be the case, even if the mugger is also doing the coercing--a person who genuinely had no desire to live, but a strong desire not to give up their money, should choose to accept death), then if the person gives up their money to the mugger, they chose that voluntarily?

    While you're answering that, answer me two other questions:

    Suppose I capture two men. One I lock in a room and starve until he dies. The other, I shoot in the head and he dies. Am I guilty of murdering both, or just the one that I shot?

    Suppose I capture two women. I plan to rape both. One, I threaten with a gun, and she lets me have sex with her. The other, I throw in a room, and deny her food, telling her she may only eat when she has sex with me. Am I guilty of raping both, or just the one that I threatened with the gun?

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    So, by the same reasoning, a person who is mugged and is given the choice "your money or your life" chooses to give up their money? I mean, if the person's desire for life is what is coercing them (as seems certainly to be the case, even if the mugger is also doing the coercing--a person who genuinely had no desire to live, but a strong desire not to give up their money, should choose to accept death), then if the person gives up their money to the mugger, they chose that voluntarily?

    While you're answering that, answer me two other questions:

    Suppose I capture two men. One I lock in a room and starve until he dies. The other, I shoot in the head and he dies. Am I guilty of murdering both, or just the one that I shot?

    Suppose I capture two women. I plan to rape both. One, I threaten with a gun, and she lets me have sex with her. The other, I throw in a room, and deny her food, telling her she may only eat when she has sex with me. Am I guilty of raping both, or just the one that I threatened with the gun?
    Aside from your straw men arguments, do you have any alternatives to the "willing seller, willing buyer" rationale to offer as a measure of social justice?
    "We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress & the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Exactly and that's why the people made a compact and created the US Constitution to provide for the general welfare of the people.
    general welfare did not mean the public dole

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    So, by the same reasoning, a person who is mugged and is given the choice "your money or your life" chooses to give up their money? I mean, if the person's desire for life is what is coercing them (as seems certainly to be the case, even if the mugger is also doing the coercing--a person who genuinely had no desire to live, but a strong desire not to give up their money, should choose to accept death), then if the person gives up their money to the mugger, they chose that voluntarily?

    While you're answering that, answer me two other questions:

    Suppose I capture two men. One I lock in a room and starve until he dies. The other, I shoot in the head and he dies. Am I guilty of murdering both, or just the one that I shot?

    Suppose I capture two women. I plan to rape both. One, I threaten with a gun, and she lets me have sex with her. The other, I throw in a room, and deny her food, telling her she may only eat when she has sex with me. Am I guilty of raping both, or just the one that I threatened with the gun?
    both should come back and shoot you after they escape and few if any grand juries would indict either woman for murder

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    Wait a minute...what's wrong with redistribution of wealth?
    Nothing if one is a parasite

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    why wouldnt he,that's how he was raised and educated.Read he own bio Dreams from my father,he lets you know straight up that his mentor Frank Marshall Davis had the most influence on his life.Along with a few other communist radical's.So radical was Frank Marshall Davis the FBI and CIA where watching his crazy butt.So yes it's the right thing to do,if you where brainwashed like that most of your life.You can't blame him for that.It's always worked in every communist in the world.It sounds good in the being,but everybody gets screwed really hard,so dont fight it,believe the media and vote him on in and get over with.Just breathe in really slow and it will be ok.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes
    Aside from your straw men arguments, do you have any alternatives to the "willing seller, willing buyer" rationale to offer as a measure of social justice?
    Well, maybe, but first, I've asked you some questions. You should answer them...though I suspect you will not, as you are as aware as I that any reasonable answers you give will show your position is untenable.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    general welfare did not mean the public dole
    It means whatever the law is interpretated it to mean.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    It means whatever the law is interpretated it to mean.
    well that is both true and really dishonest at the same time

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