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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    Now, there's a serious question. I'm not sure. I don't think mere contracts do. Nor am I entirely convinced that theft would always lead to unjust distribution. But, I think any answers to this question will involve some arbitrariness.
    I suggest that "willing buyer, willing seller" goes a long way toward settling the question.
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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    why would I have trouble comprehending it?
    I could not answer that without insulting you.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Jill Stein literally wants to redistribute wealth. She supports a "living wage", AKA giving people $20,000 a year to sit on their asses.

    That's why I'm angry at the green party.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Jill Stein literally wants to redistribute wealth. She supports a "living wage", AKA giving people $20,000 a year to sit on their asses.

    That's why I'm angry at the green party.
    Could you explain that? I am not familiar with Jill Stein.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Jill Stein literally wants to redistribute wealth. She supports a "living wage", AKA giving people $20,000 a year to sit on their asses.

    That's why I'm angry at the green party.

    Jill Stein won the Green Party nomination???

    I guess I won't be able to vote for Roseanne Barr this November.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Could you explain that? I am not familiar with Jill Stein.
    Basically she supports giving a "living wage" that equates to about $20,000 a year to anyone who is unemployed.



    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Jill Stein won the Green Party nomination???

    I guess I won't be able to vote for Roseanne Barr this November.

    The funny thing about that is after she lost the Green Party nomination, Roseanne Barr decided to run as the "Peace and Freedom Party" candidate, which she did win.

    So you can still vote for her :P

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by diogenes
    I suggest that "willing buyer, willing seller" goes a long way toward settling the question.
    This doesn't seem so helpful to me; it just pushes the question back a step. What counts as "willing" in either case?

    This is far from an idle question. When, for instance, I feel thirst, and I get some water, did I just make a willing choice? I certainly would not have gotten the water absent the thirst I felt. Feeling the thirst, I could not long ignore the body's demand for water. So my choice was coerced at least in that sense.

    I suspect many people who work menial jobs would, if their choice was unconstrained, demand more for their labor. But, of course, they cannot do so. I recognize, of course, that someone whose job is to sweep floors should not command a hundred dollars an hour or some such lofty wage. But at the same time, people are coerced into taking what labor they can find, and at the wages they can find. I think a case can be made that we're dangerously close to pushing the envelope past its breaking point on this matter, and when that happens, there are going to be some very unpleasant consequences. We're already dealing with some of them.

    Adam Smith spends a fair deal of locution talking about this problem. IIRC, it was chapter 8 of book 1 of The Wealth of Nations. He did not believe that wages should be determined by the market, as we was convinced this would lead to a lack of genuine liberty. Unfortunately, not very many people these days have taken time to read his argument.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, we already have done this in our history and there is no need to revisit those barbaric practices of the labor war. Unions came into existence because of a necessity for unions. They exist today largely as corrupt organizations bent on money and power....just like the government. And just like the government, you can't exactly do away with them as there is a base need and functionality for them.
    I believe that unions are out of date and are fighting their demise. Maybe someday unions will be needed again, but they are not needed now. A union that forces people to join the union is not “a force that fights for the worker”, it is nothing but thugs looking to make money off of the workers backs.
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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by comedy4all View Post
    I believe that unions are out of date and are fighting their demise. Maybe someday unions will be needed again, but they are not needed now. A union that forces people to join the union is not “a force that fights for the worker”, it is nothing but thugs looking to make money off of the workers backs.
    Sounds like Reaganism to me.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    I can think of a few problems with this, but I'll respond to the one I think is most critical: why does this in any way rule out that the rich (which I take to mean, all or most rich people) in our society didn't steal from the poor? You said it yourself: you either earn wealth, or you steal it. Nothing in your statement precludes the possibility that the rich, or at least some rich people, stole their wealth.
    Oh yes let’s play the “some” and “not all” game.

    It is a possibility that “some” of the people that are considered rich got that way by stealing their money. Although the vast majority of them did it the legitimate way. By providing a good or service that people wanted. Bands provide songs, athletes provide entertainment, construction companies provide buildings, grocery stores provide food; and people give their money to these places voluntarily in exchange for the product or service.

    I am also going to add my response to another thread, because I think that it applies here.

    Being poor and being dirt poor (for lack of a better term) are two different things, I have been both.

    Right now I am poor; I must tell you that it’s pretty nice. I have EBT so I eat well. I get government assistance that pays for my house, cable/internet, and I bought a new computer with my tax returns. I haven’t worked in over a year.

    Being dirt poor is a mental condition. During my twenties I decided to live out of a van for three years, I thought it would be “cool”. It was cool. I had no bills and the freedom to go where ever I wanted. As far as eating goes, I found ways to get by. I earned what money I could, and frankly I drank most of it away. When I met others in similar dirt poorness I found that there is a certain laziness to the life style. They would always moan about it not being fair that they live like this, but they would never do anything about it. So; like me they chose to be dirt poor.

    When I decided to end my time being dirt poor, it ended. I got a job and an apartment. I later married and started a small café’ with my wife. The bad economy hit and killed our café’. I have not been able to find a job for over a year. I have decided I will not live like a moocher so I enlisted in the Army.

    In America; Poverty is a choice.
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