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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I guess if you don't understand basic math, then you might have a point. However, it doesn't take much more than common sense and an elementary understand of math to understand that increases and/or decreases in tax rates affect wealth distribution.
    well, if it's just plain old simple math.. maybe you can show the class how a lower or higher tax rate = wealth redistribution...

    go on ahead, 'esplain yoself..

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I think DD is right and you are wrong.
    good for you.... maybe you can help him explain...

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    let us start with the definition of wealth redistribution.
    I haven't found a simple math formula for it.. so we'll have to stick to words.. in English.

    Redistribution of wealth is the transfer of income, wealth or property from some individuals to others caused by a social mechanism such as taxation, monetary policies, welfare, nationalization, charity, divorce or tort law.[1]
    ok, let's break this down a bit...we'll start with the fist half of the definition.... the part that some here actively ignore.

    "the transfer of income, wealth, or property from some individual to others."

    do we all understand what "transfer" means?.. here, I can help with that too.

    trans·fer

       [v. trans-fur, trans-fer; n., adj. trans-fer] verb, trans·ferred, trans·fer·ring, noun, adjective

    verb (used with object) 1.to convey or remove from one place, person, etc., to another: He transferred the package from one hand to the other.


    2.to cause to pass from one person to another, as thought, qualities, or power; transmit.


    3.Law. to make over the possession or control of: to transfer a title to land.

    4.to imprint, impress, or otherwise convey (a drawing, design, pattern, etc.) from one surface to another.

    ok..with me so far.... redistribution is the taking of something ( wealth, we'll call it) from one individual in order to give it to another... but how do we get the wealth in order to give it to someone else?... well, that's explain in the 2nd half of the defintion

    the second half :

    "caused by a social mechanism such as taxation, monetary policies, welfare, nationalization, charity, divorce or tort law"

    there, that's is how we get our hands on the wealth in order to give it to someone else.... money is taken from an individual.. through taxation, welfare, etc...then transferred to another person.



    ok... that it.. simple english.

    when a person argues that wealth redistribution is simply adjusting the tax rates... they are wrong.... more accurately, they are half wrong.
    the got the mechanism correct, but complete ignored the "transfer from one individual to another" part.

    when we speak of manipulating tax rates.. that's called.. "TAXING".. it doesn't matter if you raise of lower the rates... it's still simply a mechanism for confiscating wealth.
    when we take the wealth of one person ( usually through "TAXING") and give it to another person( we call that the "TRANSFER").. that's what we call "wealth redistribution"

    lowering taxes =/= wealth redistribution
    raising taxes =/= wealth redistribution

    in order to fit the definition of wealth redistribution.. a "TRANSFER" is necessary.... it's not optional, it's not suggested.... it is REQUIRED



    sorry I wasn't able to explain this in terms of simple math.. I hope simple English suffices.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, if it's just plain old simple math.. maybe you can show the class how a lower or higher tax rate = wealth redistribution...

    go on ahead, 'esplain yoself..

    Do you agree that 2+2=4?

    If you tax someone at a higher rate then more money is taken in
    If you tax someone at a lower rate less money is taken in.

    Are you with me so far
    Now...lets talk about tax cuts for the weathy. If you cut their tax rate it means that less money is taken in and thus the wealthy retain more = wealth redistribution in favor of the weathy.
    If you in crease taxes on the wealthy....it means more money is taken in, they retain less = wealth redistribution against the wealthy.

    See. It really isn't that difficult. Either case results in wealth redistribution. Its just that right-wings like to apply their talking points to one but not the other.
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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    in order to fit the definition of wealth redistribution.. a "TRANSFER" is necessary.... it's not optional, it's not suggested.... it is REQUIRED
    That's about as plain as it is possible to make it. However I predict your argument will not convince the authors of the defiantly vacuous arguments you are up against.
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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Those of you who waited until just this year to learn about how Politics works, and not while you were in Highschool, should not reply to this thread because if you don't know How wealth re-distribution works by now, you never will.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    What do you think and why would he want to do that?
    Well as wealth disparity has continued to grow under Obama as it has with previous Presidents. I would say measurably no, he does not want to redistribute wealth. Unless we're talking the status quo here where "wealth redistribution" means that we are taking more money out of the poor and middle class and aggregating it into the upper tiers of the upper class. Then yes, he does seem to support that form of "redistribution".
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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    What do you think and why would he want to do that?
    I don't know about Obama, but The US Dept. of Treasury and the IRS certainly do, and have since inception.
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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    I voted Yes.

    But not in the way most of his voters believe he does.

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    Re: Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Do you agree that 2+2=4?

    If you tax someone at a higher rate then more money is taken in
    If you tax someone at a lower rate less money is taken in.

    Are you with me so far
    Now...lets talk about tax cuts for the weathy. If you cut their tax rate it means that less money is taken in and thus the wealthy retain more = wealth redistribution in favor of the weathy.
    If you in crease taxes on the wealthy....it means more money is taken in, they retain less = wealth redistribution against the wealthy.

    See. It really isn't that difficult. Either case results in wealth redistribution. Its just that right-wings like to apply their talking points to one but not the other.
    you are incorrect yet again.

    keeping more of your own money is not a transfer payment... no how, no way.
    having more money taken from you is no a transfer payment either.

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