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    Re: How many properties (houses) do you think the Romneys own?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiang View Post
    Little fun fact, take a guess.

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    Re: How many properties (houses) do you think the Romneys own?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I'll arbitrarily take away the vast majority of his charitable donations to prove he's cheap.
    Charity implys choice. All mormon are required to give 10% of their income to the Mormon church evey year in order to remain in the church. It's like God's income tax to Mitters, not charity. The Church takes it seriously too, all the faithful must submit their Federal income tax forms to verify that they aren't cheating the Lord. That doesn't sound like "charity" does it?
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    Re: How many properties (houses) do you think the Romneys own?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Look bush created teh huge prescription drug plan to protect big pharma who was under assault by all americans for their price gouging and it became common knowledge they were selling canadians the same drugs that we were paying 200-300-up to 700% more for and there was huge pressure to allow americans to buy drugs from canada....bush passed the drug program to protect them...and conveniently he put in that bill a clause that THE GOVT COULD NOT NEGOTIATE FOR CHEAPER PRICES for all intents had to accept whatever price big pharma demanded...but lets not stop there ok...humor me by answering a couple of questions for me...

    1. For every job outsourced where does that american who lost that job work.
    2. Has unemployment risen dramatically as outsourcing continued
    3. Where do you expect all those americans out of work to find work that pay enough to support the standard of living they had. Or to even make enough to meet their responsibilities.
    This last one is going to be the tough one..

    Do you deny that the Federal tax rate for the top 2% of the rich and corporations has been cut fully in half since 1982. Do you deny that the capitol gains and inheritance taxs have been cut deeply...

    If theres trickle down like all the conservatives keep telling america...why is it that while they were enjoying HUGE tax cuts and huge profits from outsourcing and they got fabulously richer and the middleclass not only got far smaller but their incomes stagnated and they lost pensions and health benefits..Companies said they could no longer afford them while making fabulous profits. The poor and working poor numbers have grown largely during the same period of SUPER prosperity for the top 2% and corporations.

    Now..The teaparty conservatives want me to believe...that its all my fault...Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are the VILLAINS that have cause all the malais this country has going on...the economy is in the tank because of medicare...were in debt because of medicare...and the only way to fix it...is to give vouchers which they KNOW WILL KILL MEDICARE and thats the purpose...raise the age and lower the amount of payout for social security...and of course give another HUGE TAX CUT to the top 2% which of course includes romney and ryan and all the corporations..so they can create uhhhh what?? more trickle down...
    Sorry Ksu...Im not buying any of it.....When the teaparty far right decides to sit down and work out some real compromises that shares the pain and makes reasonable and realistic cuts to entitlements. I dont want any TAX HIKES even on the rich...cut the loopholes that allow them to pay in many instances NOTHING and near nothing....romney wont show all his tax returns because he CANT...the rich would kill him for showing america just how little the rich really pay in percentages...the tax rate is MEANINGLESS they dont pay anywhere near it....its a big confidence game at working americas expense

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    Re: How many properties (houses) do you think the Romneys own?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    seems rather common for unsuccessful people to believe successful people got their money through theft nowadays...and ,sadly, that mindset with be a very large impediment to their own success.
    This mindset has become much more widespread since Obama came into office. Given his tactics of class warfare, it's not surprising why.
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    Re: How many properties (houses) do you think the Romneys own?

    First, forgive me if I don't address each point directly, but you are all over the place here and I'm trying to connect the dots, but some of the jumps in logic are awfully big.

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Look bush created teh huge prescription drug plan to protect big pharma who was under assault by all americans for their price gouging and it became common knowledge they were selling canadians the same drugs that we were paying 200-300-up to 700% more for and there was huge pressure to allow americans to buy drugs from canada....bush passed the drug program to protect them...and conveniently he put in that bill a clause that THE GOVT COULD NOT NEGOTIATE FOR CHEAPER PRICES for all intents had to accept whatever price big pharma demanded...but lets not stop there ok...humor me by answering a couple of questions for me...
    Did I not say I was against the Medicare/Medicaid debacle? I'm pretty sure I did, so I don't understand why this rant was necessary.

    1. For every job outsourced where does that american who lost that job work.
    Didn't I make it clear that I think outsourcing is bad? Didn't I say I supported a plan that would bring jobs back home?

    2. Has unemployment risen dramatically as outsourcing continued
    Outsourcing became an issue in the 80's and has been an issue through today. So no, unemployment has not risen dramatically as a result of outsourcing. Manufacturing has dropped dramatically, taking with it better paying jobs that would have helped drive up the median wage...thank the first Bush for NAFTA and wish you had support Perot.

    3. Where do you expect all those americans out of work to find work that pay enough to support the standard of living they had. Or to even make enough to meet their responsibilities.
    This last one is going to be the tough one..
    Well...ya...it is is a tough one because you seem to expect me to generalize what an entire population will do with regards to work when each individual has a unique set of skills. Further, it is not my job, nor the job of the government to regulate that...so why should I care?

    Do you deny that the Federal tax rate for the top 2% of the rich and corporations has been cut fully in half since 1982. Do you deny that the capitol gains and inheritance taxs have been cut deeply...
    Yes. In 1982 the top rate was 50% and today it is 35%. Historical Top Tax Rate And, since 1982 the tax burden has shifted to the highest tax bracket having been 55% in 1982 and 69% in 2007. http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...ity_Shares.pdf

    If theres trickle down like all the conservatives keep telling america...why is it that while they were enjoying HUGE tax cuts and huge profits from outsourcing and they got fabulously richer and the middleclass not only got far smaller but their incomes stagnated and they lost pensions and health benefits..Companies said they could no longer afford them while making fabulous profits. The poor and working poor numbers have grown largely during the same period of SUPER prosperity for the top 2% and corporations.
    Which corporations are you talking about? American Airlines who is in bankruptcy? GM? Chrysler? To me, this sounds more like a rant against anyone with money rather than a well thought out political/social/economics theory. Further, none of this is related to anything that is being discussed here.

    Now..The teaparty conservatives want me to believe...that its all my fault...
    Yes. It is just you. We all blame you and no one else. Are you President Obama?

    Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are the VILLAINS that have cause all the malais this country has going on...
    Well, they are failing and wasting money like no one's business. SS is insolvent and Medicare is blowing up like balloon.


    the economy is in the tank because of medicare...
    It is? That's news to me.

    were in debt because of medicare...
    If you combine Medicare, SS and Welfare, they comprise over 60% of the budget...and lo and behold that's about the same amount of the deficit...huh...go figure.

    and the only way to fix it...is to give vouchers which they KNOW WILL KILL MEDICARE and thats the purpose...
    So you would recommend we keep a failing system?

    raise the age and lower the amount of payout for social security...
    I prefer Gingrich's idea. You should look into it. Other countries employed it and the need for SS disappeared. People didn't need the government any more.

    and of course give another HUGE TAX CUT to the top 2% which of course includes romney and ryan and all the corporations..so they can create uhhhh what?? more trickle down...
    Since 1982, the top rate has paid higher and higher percentage of the tax burden as a result of their cuts. And, since 1982, the US economy has seen tremendous growth. Had it not been for burdensome taxes on jobs, we would have really had a big boom.

    Sorry Ksu...Im not buying any of it.....
    You don't have to, doesn't mean it isn't true.

    When the teaparty far right decides to sit down and work out some real compromises that shares the pain and makes reasonable and realistic cuts to entitlements.
    You'll what?

    I dont want any TAX HIKES even on the rich...cut the loopholes that allow them to pay in many instances NOTHING and near nothing....romney wont show all his tax returns because he CANT...the rich would kill him for showing america just how little the rich really pay in percentages...the tax rate is MEANINGLESS they dont pay anywhere near it....its a big confidence game at working americas expense
    Umm...increasing tax liability for the same wages is a tax increase, even if you call it a loop hole.

    Politico? Really? And what does a pizza place owner hugging the president have to do with anything?
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    Re: How many properties (houses) do you think the Romneys own?

    I'm pretty sure that Romney is not forced to do anything. With his political ambitions, he could have copped out and become some other Christian format.

    The only God there is might be the force that created the universe. This force is not watching you and it does not think like you. It neither knows nor cares that one of the quintillions of chunks of matter ended up over here. Smart people know this but they also desire a God-type relationship. It provides something for them. In order to believe in communal form, you pick one fantastical story-line over another and go with it.

    For whatever reason, our laws say that donating to a religion is an act of charity and can not be taxed. I think all religions are businesses and should pay tax but my opinion is besides the point. For now, so it is.


    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Charity implys choice. All mormon are required to give 10% of their income to the Mormon church evey year in order to remain in the church. It's like God's income tax to Mitters, not charity. The Church takes it seriously too, all the faithful must submit their Federal income tax forms to verify that they aren't cheating the Lord. That doesn't sound like "charity" does it?

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    Re: How many properties (houses) do you think the Romneys own?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    We have what we have and he is by far the better choice. There is no question that the last four years could not have gone much worse, nor could a president have done much more to sabotage an economy. He raised taxes on the middle class, drove up business costs and increased the cost of health care while reducing accessibility through the unAffordable Health Care Act. He drove up inflation through QE1 and QE2. He created uncertainty in energy markets by threatening cap and trade and not approving off shore drilling. He killed jobs by not approving the pipeline from Canada to Texas. He has never once proposed a budget that got one single vote. He never addressed the deficit. Obama has been the definition of failure.
    LOL Ask the Europeans who were recovering from the Bush Recession also. They WERE recovering until their politicians imposed austerity budgets and they fell back into recession 6 months ago.
    That's what Romney plans to do also. Put us back in recession, then cut taxes, increase the defense budget and balloon the deficit. It like clockwork, every Republican ever elected has a recession in his 1st term. Not this time, he won't get the chance.
    Obama's policies have kept us growing the fastest of any Western nation against a uncooperative Congress and a recession in Europe, our largest export goods market
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    Re: How many properties (houses) do you think the Romneys own?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    This mindset has become much more widespread since Obama came into office. Given his tactics of class warfare, it's not surprising why.
    Hmm, Let's think about something else that happened in the last 4 years that might have given some the impression that the rich get their money through theft?
    Could this have something to do with it?


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    Re: How many properties (houses) do you think the Romneys own?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL Ask the Europeans who were recovering from the Bush Recession also. They WERE recovering until their politicians imposed austerity budgets and they fell back into recession 6 months ago.
    That's what Romney plans to do also. Put us back in recession, then cut taxes, increase the defense budget and balloon the deficit. It like clockwork, every Republican ever elected has a recession in his 1st term. Not this time, he won't get the chance.
    Obama's policies have kept us growing the fastest of any Western nation against a uncooperative Congress and a recession in Europe, our largest export goods market
    We never left the recession. Yes there has been "growth", but that growth has been outpaced by population increase leaving the reality of the recession in its wake. Fortunately we have a real life study to show us just what will happen: Russia - Economic Reform in the 1990s We are not as bad off as Russia was, so we won't see the same problems. Inflation, for one, won't occur because the government doesn't have strict price controls. In the end, our economy will be better off with out the government's interference. It works. It was proven.

    By the way, which do you think is worse? Total government collapse or a short term recession followed by long term recovery.
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    Re: How many properties (houses) do you think the Romneys own?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    We never left the recession. Yes there has been "growth", but that growth has been outpaced by population increase leaving the reality of the recession in its wake. Fortunately we have a real life study to show us just what will happen: Russia - Economic Reform in the 1990s We are not as bad off as Russia was, so we won't see the same problems. Inflation, for one, won't occur because the government doesn't have strict price controls. In the end, our economy will be better off with out the government's interference. It works. It was proven.

    By the way, which do you think is worse? Total government collapse or a short term recession followed by long term recovery.

    You want us to use Soviet Russia with it's President for life Putin and his KGB friends as an example?
    No thanks, Romney said Russia was our worst enemy and now I believe him. They have already infiltrated this message board.
    And No thanks to another recession too....Comrade
    But thanks for agreeing with me that Romney would give us one.

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