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Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

Why wasn't Iraq colonized?

  • Liberal humanitarians would be shocked too much at home.

    Votes: 5 16.1%

  • Neocons were afraid of losing European geopolitical capital.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • We were afraid of instigating Arabs.

    Votes: 3 9.7%

  • We were afraid of engaging Iran.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Something else.

    Votes: 27 87.1%
  • Total voters
    31
DaveFagan said:
The Iraq War was about OIL. The OIL is now in the Central Distribution Network of Western Energy companies, think Exxon/Mobil, BP, Shell, Total, etc., and being traded in USDollars. The War was initiated and driven by an Energy Corporatocracy and successful in every way. The Military/Industrial/Energy triad profitted handsomely. Remember that wars run on energy, so wars make Big Energy big money. We're on OFFENSE. There is no such thing as Military Defense. Anyone that believes that the Iraq War had any high moral ground values needs to find truthful media and begin thinking for themselves. Those automatic thoughts generated by the "Mighty Wurlitzer" are bogus.
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Really? Prove it.
 
Originally Posted by DaveFagan
The Iraq War was about OIL.
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Yes indeed. you are correct.

The OIL is now in the Central Distribution Network of Western Energy companies, think Exxon/Mobil, BP, Shell, Total, etc., and being traded in USDollars. The War was initiated and driven by an Energy Corporatocracy and successful in every way. The Military/Industrial/Energy triad profitted handsomely. Remember that wars run on energy, so wars make Big Energy big money. We're on OFFENSE. There is no such thing as Military Defense. Anyone that believes that the Iraq War had any high moral ground values needs to find truthful media and begin thinking for themselves. Those automatic thoughts generated by the "Mighty Wurlitzer" are bogus.
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Truth is like garlic to vampires
 
PrometheusBound said:
If we owned the Iraq oil, then gasoline would only cost 12 cents a gallon. Our Big Oil Occupied Government wouldn't allow that, since the oilies make their obscene profit margins off greedy sheiks owning OPEC oil and setting world prices for even our domestic oil.
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Please. I'm somewhat mentally limited. The reason is that I'm a retired design engineer/systems architect. And I'm probably not the only one that has this issue when they see functional claims. So for us, please support the "then gasoline would only cost 12 cents a gallon" claim. Thanks.
 
Colonizing Iraq would not be worth the bother.
 
DaveFagan said:
The post is exactly factual, needs no proof. You might try proving any statement in the post to be false. Good luck.
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sorry dave, but that's not how things work on these forums. If you make an unsubstantiated claim and it gets challenged....the onus is on you to prove it, not for the challenger to disprove it.

I don't really give a **** who is right and who is wrong here...just pointing out the accepted protocol.
 
OscarB63 said:
sorry dave, but that's not how things work on these forums. If you make an unsubstantiated claim and it gets challenged....the onus is on you to prove it, not for the challenger to disprove it.

I don't really give a **** who is right and who is wrong here...just pointing out the accepted protocol.
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Originally Posted by DaveFagan
The Iraq War was about OIL. The OIL is now in the Central Distribution Network of Western Energy companies, think Exxon/Mobil, BP, Shell, Total, etc., and being traded in USDollars. The War was initiated and driven by an Energy Corporatocracy and successful in every way. The Military/Industrial/Energy triad profitted handsomely. Remember that wars run on energy, so wars make Big Energy big money. We're on OFFENSE. There is no such thing as Military Defense. Anyone that believes that the Iraq War had any high moral ground values needs to find truthful media and begin thinking for themselves. Those automatic thoughts generated by the "Mighty Wurlitzer" are bogus.
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Looks like he proved it right here. what more do you need. a link?


And are we suppose to hold peoples' hands on this site? can they not research these things themselves? I did.

And if a link is posted, whose to say the next person won't challenge the link? then what? do we have to track down the webmaster and the owner of that site where the info was gathered and get them to swear on the Bible that it's true?

Seriously?

Sometimes truth is like a mosquito bite, you know something bit you and it stings and you have a bump, but you couldn't catch the mosquito who got away. then what? there's still a mosquito bump there.
 
4Horsemen said:
Looks like he proved it right here. what more do you need. a link?


And are we suppose to hold peoples' hands on this site? can they not research these things themselves? I did.

And if a link is posted, whose to say the next person won't challenge the link? then what? do we have to track down the webmaster and the owner of that site where the info was gathered and get them to swear on the Bible that it's true?

Seriously?

Sometimes truth is like a mosquito bite, you know something bit you and it stings and you have a bump, but you couldn't catch the mosquito who got away. then what? there's still a mosquito bump there.
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sorry, but the opinion of one poster on a message board does not constitute "proof". If it did, I could claim anything and then when challenged to prove it...simply point them back to the post in which I made the claim.

IOW, just because you say it's true doesn't make it true. as I said, I really don't give a rat's ass, just pointing out protocol.

so to answer your question...yes, I would want a link. then if the challenger wants to argue over the link...that's their problem. you would have done your part and the onus would then be on them to disprove your link/source
 
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jet57 said:
Your ignorance of history is quite profound. Colonization began with Napoleon you know. Then of course the English seized Exgypt leaving north Africa to the French.

And this: just discredits everything you say.
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For centuries, North Africa was nothing but pirates and warlords, as there fellow Muslims in Somalia are today. Europeans put a stop to that; the only sure way was through colonization. They also built the Suez Canal, a natural duty towards international commerce infrastructure that the Muslims were never competent enough to undertake. Since independence, the world has gained nothing from Islam except oil price-gouging and terrorism. Reality and history discredit the appeasers.
 
DaveFagan said:
The Iraq War was about OIL. The OIL is now in the Central Distribution Network of Western Energy companies, think Exxon/Mobil, BP, Shell, Total, etc., and being traded in USDollars. The War was initiated and driven by an Energy Corporatocracy and successful in every way. The Military/Industrial/Energy triad profitted handsomely. Remember that wars run on energy, so wars make Big Energy big money. We're on OFFENSE. There is no such thing as Military Defense. Anyone that believes that the Iraq War had any high moral ground values needs to find truthful media and begin thinking for themselves. Those automatic thoughts generated by the "Mighty Wurlitzer" are bogus.
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Letting the Texxonites have the oil is as bad as letting the rabid Arab rabble control it. In fact, Big Oil set up OPEC to drain away the money and power of the American middle class.
 
OhIsee.Then said:
Please. I'm somewhat mentally limited. The reason is that I'm a retired design engineer/systems architect. And I'm probably not the only one that has this issue when they see functional claims. So for us, please support the "then gasoline would only cost 12 cents a gallon" claim. Thanks.
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That's what it cost in Venezuela. The price-gougers' apologists claim that Chavez is subsidizing it makes no sense. There's no way he could afford to lose $3.70 a gallon if oil were really worth what we suckers are being charged. Historical prices and profits indicate that Chavez is actually making a healthy profit at 12 cents. In the US in the 60s, it was 25 cents a gallon. Don't listen to "inflation-adjusted," which is still only 2 dollars. The controlled price of oil caused most of our inflation.
 
OscarB63 said:
sorry, but the opinion of one poster on a message board does not constitute "proof". If it did, I could claim anything and then when challenged to prove it...simply point them back to the post in which I made the claim.

IOW, just because you say it's true doesn't make it true. as I said, I really don't give a rat's ass, just pointing out protocol.

so to answer your question...yes, I would want a link. then if the challenger wants to argue over the link...that's their problem. you would have done your part and the onus would then be on them to disprove your link/source
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So basically a link just makes you feel better. not that you'll beleive the facts presented at all?

I get it.

Carry on.
 
Originally Posted by DaveFagan
The Iraq War was about OIL. The OIL is now in the Central Distribution Network of Western Energy companies, think Exxon/Mobil, BP, Shell, Total, etc., and being traded in USDollars. The War was initiated and driven by an Energy Corporatocracy and successful in every way. The Military/Industrial/Energy triad profitted handsomely. Remember that wars run on energy, so wars make Big Energy big money. We're on OFFENSE. There is no such thing as Military Defense. Anyone that believes that the Iraq War had any high moral ground values needs to find truthful media and begin thinking for themselves. Those automatic thoughts generated by the "Mighty Wurlitzer" are bogus.
FreedomFromAll said:
Really? Prove it.
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The Iraq War was about OIL. The OIL is now in the Central Distribution Network of Western Energy companies, think Exxon/Mobil, BP, Shell, Total, etc., and being traded in USDollars.
If the US was not allowed any Iraq OIL and it was still trading in Euros, this statement would be false, but that is what was
changed by the war.
The War was initiated and driven by an Energy Corporatocracy and successful in every way. The Military/Industrial/Energy triad profitted handsomely.
It is the American way to promote endeavors that make increased Corporate bottom lines and if you build weapons, war materials
or the fuel for these weapons and materials then you promote wars to increase profit. The American Way.
Remember that wars run on energy, so wars make Big Energy big money.
Common sense. Planes, tanks, hummers, ships, etc. don't move without fuel.
We're on OFFENSE. There is no such thing as Military Defense.
We invaded Iraq. No threat to us. No WMDs.
Anyone that believes that the Iraq War had any high moral ground values needs to find truthful media and begin thinking for themselves. Those automatic thoughts generated by the "Mighty Wurlitzer" are bogus.
If you believed those WMD horror stories, your media is to blame. Then there were the "curveball" lies. Judith Miller
misinformation.

I can't help it if your mind is micromanaged. It is up to you to find truth and break away from the mind massagers.

I haven't used links because this is simply common sense and Corporatism, no links required.
 
DaveFagan said:
The post is exactly factual, needs no proof. You might try proving any statement in the post to be false. Good luck.
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All I asked for was proof, since you speak like something is a fact it shouldnt be hard for you to produce those facts. In fact in order for you to know such things you have bookmarked where you learned those things from. Instead you dodge the challenge proving that you were only sharing opinion. Why not cease the opportunity to prove everyone wrong?
 
4Horsemen said:
Right. all we want is the OIL.
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Then annex the oilfields only, put a no-man's land corridor around that territory and let the Iraqis go back to the territory they deserve, where they can continue their sectarian violence and unfitness for the modern world. Nation-building was a multiculturalist delusion.
 
PrometheusBound said:
Then annex the oilfields only, put a no-man's land corridor around that territory and let the Iraqis go back to the territory they deserve, where they can continue their sectarian violence and unfitness for the modern world. Nation-building was a multiculturalist delusion.
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I'm sure the Governments that are pillaging the Oil (America,Brittan, China, Saudi, Iran,Turkey,Africa) will think of something before the local radical factions catch on.
 
4Horsemen said:
I'm sure the Governments that are pillaging the Oil (America,Brittan, China, Saudi, Iran,Turkey,Africa) will think of something before the local radical factions catch on.
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The US did not get any oil. It did not get any drilling contracts. It did not get any processing contracts. It did not get any transport contracts.

Saddam spent all the money on weapons development, rape, murder and genocide. Even if Iraqis get nothing from the oil, they're better off.
 
DaveFagan said:
Originally Posted by DaveFagan
The Iraq War was about OIL. The OIL is now in the Central Distribution Network of Western Energy companies, think Exxon/Mobil, BP, Shell, Total, etc., and being traded in USDollars. The War was initiated and driven by an Energy Corporatocracy and successful in every way. The Military/Industrial/Energy triad profitted handsomely. Remember that wars run on energy, so wars make Big Energy big money. We're on OFFENSE. There is no such thing as Military Defense. Anyone that believes that the Iraq War had any high moral ground values needs to find truthful media and begin thinking for themselves. Those automatic thoughts generated by the "Mighty Wurlitzer" are bogus.


The Iraq War was about OIL. The OIL is now in the Central Distribution Network of Western Energy companies, think Exxon/Mobil, BP, Shell, Total, etc., and being traded in USDollars.
If the US was not allowed any Iraq OIL and it was still trading in Euros, this statement would be false, but that is what was
changed by the war.
The War was initiated and driven by an Energy Corporatocracy and successful in every way. The Military/Industrial/Energy triad profitted handsomely.
It is the American way to promote endeavors that make increased Corporate bottom lines and if you build weapons, war materials
or the fuel for these weapons and materials then you promote wars to increase profit. The American Way.
Remember that wars run on energy, so wars make Big Energy big money.
Common sense. Planes, tanks, hummers, ships, etc. don't move without fuel.
We're on OFFENSE. There is no such thing as Military Defense.
We invaded Iraq. No threat to us. No WMDs.
Anyone that believes that the Iraq War had any high moral ground values needs to find truthful media and begin thinking for themselves. Those automatic thoughts generated by the "Mighty Wurlitzer" are bogus.
If you believed those WMD horror stories, your media is to blame. Then there were the "curveball" lies. Judith Miller
misinformation.

I can't help it if your mind is micromanaged. It is up to you to find truth and break away from the mind massagers.

I haven't used links because this is simply common sense and Corporatism, no links required.
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I really do not see why you cannot just give us links like this: operations . It clearly shows that Exxon/Mobile has contracts with Iraq for oil. But you will be hard pressed to prove that such deals were the purpose of the Iraq war. In fact there is no proof to be had unless you have some proof that no one else in the world has been able to find?

Exxon | Iraq Business News "Last year it prohibited Exxon from an exploration tender after it circumvented Baghdad to do business directly in Kurdistan. This July it banned Chevron from signing deals in the rest of Iraq after the oil giant bought stakes in oil businesses in Kurdistan." Its funny that if a war was fought for the sole purpose of obtaining oil how could the oil companies get banned?

And why would Iraq need to make Gas Exploration Deals more Attractive if the US oil companies are in control of Iraq oil because of a war fought for that control?

Iraq to make Gas Exploration Deals more Attractive | Iraq Business News

Iraq is selling its own oil through contracts with corporations that have the know how and the money to pay them. End result Iraq is the winner not the US.

However, this summer, deputy prime minister for energy, Hussain al-Shahristani, had an incensed meeting with Exxon. Baghdad has also warned oil companies that they face having all oil contracts made throughout Iraq rescinded if they do business directly with the north.


Clearly Iraq alone is in control THEIR oil. Which also indicates that Iraq is not our puppet by any means. Which points out that the war for oil conspiracy theory has no teeth.
 
OscarB63 said:
sorry, but the opinion of one poster on a message board does not constitute "proof". If it did, I could claim anything and then when challenged to prove it...simply point them back to the post in which I made the claim.

IOW, just because you say it's true doesn't make it true. as I said, I really don't give a rat's ass, just pointing out protocol.

so to answer your question...yes, I would want a link. then if the challenger wants to argue over the link...that's their problem. you would have done your part and the onus would then be on them to disprove your link/source
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Once more, the Internet proves to be just a copycat medium tied to professional sources whose opinions are taken for proven facts. That's why the ruling class allowed the Internet in the first place. Since they control all sources in their specious spectrum, where the diversity only means different ways of being wrong, they prepared people through passive dependent education to be reluctant to say anything that could not be re-inforced by a professional source. Next you'll require all sentences to be footnoted.

Logic, experience, and common sense are the only reliable sources. The self-serving official sources can only be trusted to give credibility to those in power. The alternative sources are produced by products of dumbed-down education and are only allowed because they make the official sources seem intelligent, as all effective liars seem intelligent.
 
ecofarm said:
The US did not get any oil. It did not get any drilling contracts. It did not get any processing contracts. It did not get any transport contracts.
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Are you Mad? America didn't get any Oil? Oh I get it, because you didn't see any oil tankers on CNN coming across the Atlantic, America didn't get any Oil?

But yet 99% American troops fought the war in Iraq, We lose over 4,500 Men/Women soldiers, but America didn't get any Oil?


BWUAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!


You can go back to sleep now.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
I really do not see why you cannot just give us links like this: operations . It clearly shows that Exxon/Mobile has contracts with Iraq for oil. But you will be hard pressed to prove that such deals were the purpose of the Iraq war. In fact there is no proof to be had unless you have some proof that no one else in the world has been able to find?

Exxon | Iraq Business News "Last year it prohibited Exxon from an exploration tender after it circumvented Baghdad to do business directly in Kurdistan. This July it banned Chevron from signing deals in the rest of Iraq after the oil giant bought stakes in oil businesses in Kurdistan." Its funny that if a war was fought for the sole purpose of obtaining oil how could the oil companies get banned?

And why would Iraq need to make Gas Exploration Deals more Attractive if the US oil companies are in control of Iraq oil because of a war fought for that control?

Iraq to make Gas Exploration Deals more Attractive | Iraq Business News

Iraq is selling its own oil through contracts with corporations that have the know how and the money to pay them. End result Iraq is the winner not the US.

However, this summer, deputy prime minister for energy, Hussain al-Shahristani, had an incensed meeting with Exxon. Baghdad has also warned oil companies that they face having all oil contracts made throughout Iraq rescinded if they do business directly with the north.


Clearly Iraq alone is in control THEIR oil. Which also indicates that Iraq is not our puppet by any means. Which points out that the war for oil conspiracy theory has no teeth.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Where did you find this info? let me guess, from the Exxon HQ website...no wonder...
 
4Horsemen said:
BWUAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!
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Care to provide a citation backing up your claim that the US got oil or oil drilling, processing or transport contracts in Iraq?
 
4Horsemen said:
I'm sure the Governments that are pillaging the Oil (America,Brittan, China, Saudi, Iran,Turkey,Africa) will think of something before the local radical factions catch on.
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Have special forces secretly take the place of the oilfield workers. In Saudi Arabia, assassinate the sheiks who have control over the nuclear boobytrap on the oilfields. Let Russia take the Iranian side of the Persian Gulf and India occupy the Straits of Hormuz. China can take Indonesia and Brunei's oil. NATO gets North Africa's oilfields. Brazil gets Nigeria's. Partition, partitition, partition.
 
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