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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    The OPECkers are seizing our money, which is our property, by charging us $90 for oil worth less than $10. Besides, we discovered and developed those wells and pipelines, so why is it the natives' property? They didn't live there. In fact, most of them were nomads who never stayed in one spot.

    The Big Oil conspiracy is easy when they control people's minds about what is really happening. Everybody here gives the answers required by Big Oil. And don't think the oily greedheads are hurt by all this wishful thinking about alternatives. It keeps people's minds away from the oilies' price-gouging, collaboration with jihadists, and hoarding of our supply of oil.
    The OPPECkers are selling their property to us for our property. The price is set freely. We dont have to buy it. They dont have to sell it. Its theirs because they possess it.

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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Nothing to do with oil. Strike 1.

    The entire intelligence community thought he had WMD's including the Russians, British, US, Israel etc. In fact the only one who lied about having them was Saddam, lol.

    Nothing to do with oil. Strike 2.

    Nothing to do again with oil. Strike 3.

    Nothing about oil yet but let's continue.

    A blog? You are kidding right?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Here is the lead story for that rag from today...

    Special Report: The emerging history of 9/11 reveals that President George W. Bush’s failure to protect the nation resulted from neocon insistence that Iraq was the real threat, not al-Qaeda. The political relevance today is that the neocons want back into power under a Mitt Romney presidency, writes Robert Parry. -

    Fox News has more credibility. That says allot. So this is proof that fact checking is not big on the consortium's to do list.

    This is a good article. It shows that Britan was afraid the the US was going to squeeze them out of some kind of big oil deal...

    That never came to light.

    Those who claim that the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003 to get control of the country's giant oil reserves will be left scratching their heads by the results of last weekend's auction of Iraqi oil contracts: Not a single U.S. company secured a deal in the auction of contracts that will shape the Iraqi oil industry for the next couple of decades. Two of the most lucrative of the multi-billion-dollar oil contracts went to two countries which bitterly opposed the U.S. invasion — Russia and China — while even Total Oil of France, which led the charge to deny international approval for the war at the U.N. Security Council in 2003, won a bigger stake than the Americans in the most recent auction. "[The distribution of oil contracts] certainly answers the theory that the war was for the benefit of big U.S. oil interests," says Alex Munton, Middle East oil analyst for the energy consultancy Wood Mackenzie, whose clients include major U.S. companies. "That has not been demonstrated by what has happened this week." - Read more: U.S. Companies Shut Out as Iraq Auctions Its Oil Fields - TIME

    Read this well, lol.
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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    How is that anti-Semitic? And why is it that every time someone mentions something that goes against Israeli interests it's anti-Semitic or racist?
    It is antisemitic because it lies about the connection of the Jewish people to their land. How could Israel be a colony when the peopel who live there trace their history on that land back to over 3 millenia ago?

    Just because stupid people say stupid things like Israel being a colony, that does not mean it is true.
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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Nothing to do with oil. Strike 1.



    The entire intelligence community thought he had WMD's including the Russians, British, US, Israel etc. In fact the only one who lied about having them was Saddam, lol.

    Nothing to do with oil. Strike 2.



    Nothing to do again with oil. Strike 3.

    Nothing about oil yet but let's continue.



    A blog? You are kidding right?



    Here is the lead story for that rag from today...

    Special Report: The emerging history of 9/11 reveals that President George W. Bush’s failure to protect the nation resulted from neocon insistence that Iraq was the real threat, not al-Qaeda. The political relevance today is that the neocons want back into power under a Mitt Romney presidency, writes Robert Parry. -

    Fox News has more credibility. That says allot. So this is proof that fact checking is not big on the consortium's to do list.



    This is a good article. It shows that Britan was afraid the the US was going to squeeze them out of some kind of big oil deal...

    That never came to light.

    Those who claim that the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003 to get control of the country's giant oil reserves will be left scratching their heads by the results of last weekend's auction of Iraqi oil contracts: Not a single U.S. company secured a deal in the auction of contracts that will shape the Iraqi oil industry for the next couple of decades. Two of the most lucrative of the multi-billion-dollar oil contracts went to two countries which bitterly opposed the U.S. invasion — Russia and China — while even Total Oil of France, which led the charge to deny international approval for the war at the U.N. Security Council in 2003, won a bigger stake than the Americans in the most recent auction. "[The distribution of oil contracts] certainly answers the theory that the war was for the benefit of big U.S. oil interests," says Alex Munton, Middle East oil analyst for the energy consultancy Wood Mackenzie, whose clients include major U.S. companies. "That has not been demonstrated by what has happened this week." - Read more: U.S. Companies Shut Out as Iraq Auctions Its Oil Fields - TIME

    Read this well, lol.
    It wasn't for altruistic reasons; it was lie. That's the first tnhing to establish that shoots down your assertions. Secondly, government people admitted it was a lie, so that makes room for the real reason, adn lastly NPR is not just "a blog".

    You know very little about human history; so - read up and then get back to me.
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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    It wasn't for altruistic reasons; it was lie.
    I am not debating that. I am saying this "The mission was to capture oils fields." is bull**** and as history and FACT, has shown us it was not and is still not true.

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    That's the first tnhing to establish that shoots down your assertions.
    Not at all. I asked about OIL and the WMD's which everyone again thought Saddam had because he lied about it. Hence my reply "Please post some proof of this? Oh wait, you can't because that was not the reason. Unless of course you are into conspiracy theories."

    Now the funny part is you obviously knew what I was talking about. Now you try and change the goal posts like you never said anything about oil? LMAO!

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Secondly, government people admitted it was a lie, so that makes room for the real reason, adn lastly NPR is not just "a blog".
    So far the "real reason" has not come to light according to anything you have posted. It's strange how your other sources were easily dismissed, and you are concerned with an opinion piece from NPR.

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You know very little about human history; so - read up and then get back to me.
    I know plenty about human history, most Anthropology majors do. Granted that was a long time ago, but this does not change anything as far as your posts go. You can't blow smoke up my ass, and say it was not the smoke you were blowing.
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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I am not debating that. I am saying this "The mission was to capture oils fields." is bull**** and as history and FACT, has shown us it was not and is still not true.



    Not at all. I asked about OIL and the WMD's which everyone again thought Saddam had because he lied about it. Hence my reply "Please post some proof of this? Oh wait, you can't because that was not the reason. Unless of course you are into conspiracy theories."

    Now the funny part is you obviously knew what I was talking about. Now you try and change the goal posts like you never said anything about oil? LMAO!



    So far the "real reason" has not come to light according to anything you have posted. It's strange how your other sources were easily dismissed, and you are concerned with an opinion piece from NPR.



    I know plenty about human history, most Anthropology majors do. Granted that was a long time ago, but this does not change anything as far as your posts go. You can't blow smoke up my ass, and say it was not the smoke you were blowing.


    I am not debating that.
    That's all it takes. If it was a lie; then what do you suppose was going on over there? "liberty" that's a lie. it hasn't happened nor was it intended to. Iraq is now like Afghanistan.

    And I'm not blowing anything up your ass. And you know nothing about human history, as the invasions of countries for their natural rescources has been going on since the time of the Romans. So your insults are really not helping you.

    I have shown you evidense that verifies my argument. if you can't compete with it, then I can't help you any further.
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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    It is antisemitic because it lies about the connection of the Jewish people to their land. How could Israel be a colony when the people who live there trace their history on that land back to over 3 millenia ago?

    Just because stupid people say stupid things like Israel being a colony, that does not mean it is true.
    Taking land you don't currently own from someone and giving it to one group of people isn't colonizing?

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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    The premise is absurd. We had no right, and really no reason, to invade the sovereign nation of Iraq. We certainly had no right, have no right to colonize other nations. Why would anyone even consider the question?

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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    Taking land you don't currently own from someone and giving it to one group of people isn't colonizing?
    What a childish, cartoon version of history you attempt to foist there, boy.

    Try learing a little real history instead of just repeating one stupid meme after another.
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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    The premise is absurd. We had no right, and really no reason, to invade the sovereign nation of Iraq. We certainly had no right, have no right to colonize other nations. Why would anyone even consider the question?
    I do not know the reasons that the people that made the decision to go in to Iraq truly held during the time, but it was an action that needed to happen.

    Iraq under Saddam Hussein was known for its severe violations of human rights. Secret police, torture, mass murder, rape, deportations, forced disappearances, assassinations, chemical warfare, and the destruction of southern Iraq's marshes were some of the methods the country's Ba'athist government used to maintain control. The total number of deaths related to torture and murder during this period are unknown. Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International issued regular reports of widespread imprisonment and torture.

    To stand by while evil men do evil thing to innocent people because it is a “sovereign nation” is just wrong.
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