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Thread: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Taxation without representation? Hmm, seems familiar....
    That's why it's a colony. Besides, the Iraqi people weren't represented when we liberated them from their dictator.

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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Colonize Iraq? We'd need more colonies in the region to justify it. The logistics alone are a nightmare, and protecting colonists would be an indefinite 24/7 detail. The cost is greater than the gain.
    The invasion force was already supplied and monitoring their people. If anything's a nightmare, it was humanitarian RoE in the way.

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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    The invasion force was already supplied and monitoring their people. If anything's a nightmare, it was humanitarian RoE in the way.
    The mission was liberation, so humanitarianism is kind of important.
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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Fyi, the second option makes little sense. If we were to take Wolfowitz and others seriously, many would just want hegemonic influence in return for what they see as liberation from a tyrannical government. It allows for more flexibility than a traditional empire, while still gaining some of the benefits from it, at the same time as it is seen as satisfying the need for self-government. Cheney and Rumsfeld may have only wanted removal of a threat to American interests, and to allow the freedom for investment in Iraq's economy.
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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Fyi, the second option makes little sense. If we were to take Wolfowitz and others seriously, many would just want hegemonic influence in return for what they see as liberation from a tyrannical government. It allows for more flexibility than a traditional empire, while still gaining some of the benefits from it, at the same time as it is seen as satisfying the need for self-government. Cheney and Rumsfeld may have only wanted removal of a threat to American interests, and to allow the freedom for investment in Iraq's economy.
    I don't entirely buy this.

    American engagement in Iraq is a leftover from a bloated MIC following the Cold War which saved Western Europe for democracy. Furthermore, the Middle East was interpreted in globalist context throughout the Cold War in contrast to Soviet influence. Iraq was also a target of opportunity from tarnished Cold War reputation. It engaged Israel repeatedly, had history with Iran which was our ally, and afterwards invaded Kuwait.

    Wolfowitz even admitted that the rapid planning after 9/11 for Iraq's invasion took place because of its history, suggesting that Cold War nostalgia for European geopolitical stature was a priority. Besides, America already struggled to gather European allies for the "Coalition of the Willing".

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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Didn't the west try that before, with Israel? Not sure how well that is working.
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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    I don't entirely buy this.

    American engagement in Iraq is a leftover from a bloated MIC following the Cold War which saved Western Europe for democracy. Furthermore, the Middle East was interpreted in globalist context throughout the Cold War in contrast to Soviet influence. Iraq was also a target of opportunity from tarnished Cold War reputation. It engaged Israel repeatedly, had history with Iran which was our ally, and afterwards invaded Kuwait.

    Wolfowitz even admitted that the rapid planning after 9/11 for Iraq's invasion took place because of its history, suggesting that Cold War nostalgia for European geopolitical stature was a priority. Besides, America already struggled to gather European allies for the "Coalition of the Willing".
    American neoconservatives had argued that, but stressed their unique dual context for why invasion was necessary: removal of tyrannical government where people could not do it on their own & the need to expand American economic and political influence. If you want to take their writings of the neoconservatives seriously for what they thought, then you have to read Present Dangers. First and foremost, American colonization doesn't mesh with their world view.
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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Didn't the west try that before, with Israel? Not sure how well that is working.
    We didn't colonize it, we got guilted into granting the Jews sovereignty following WWII. So far, a huge mistake, as well as the majority of our endeavors in the Middle East.
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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Serious answers only please. This is not a troll thread.

    That is not a sarcastic comment (ad infinitum).
    A general rule of thumb: If you have to clarify that it's really, truly, seriously not a troll thread...chances are you're trolling.

    Even setting aside the obvious moral issues of colonizing a sovereign nation with people who don't want to be colonized, why the hell would we WANT Iraq as a colony? Under what possible set of circumstances do you imagine that to be a good idea?
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    Re: Why Wasn't Iraq Colonized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Didn't the west try that before, with Israel? Not sure how well that is working.
    Antisemites may say things like that, but rational people who are not so obviously prejudiced realize that affording self determination to a persecuted ethnic group in their homeland is a far cry from colonization.
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