View Poll Results: Has America become numb to troop deaths in Afghanistan

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Thread: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The media virtually stopped reporting on US casualties the moment obama was elected.
    I don't remember it that way. My news stations still report. As I recall, the Bush Admin didn't want pictures of coffins coming home from Iraq.
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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think we should kick up our coverage of our wars to Vietnam style. So long as we are allowing the government to engage in endless war, we should be forced to view it.

    I would agree that I do not think it's that we're numb to it, but rather that there is little to no reporting of our wars specifically so that we come to think of it as an issue existing far far away and not impacting our lives.
    In the Nam years the soldiers killed every day were put on your television screen every night at the end of the news. In that war the media was trying to demoralize us and turn America against the war and Nixon. Now the media has a president they worship so they do exactly the opposite, they ignore the US casualties. The medias intent during Nam was wrong but in retrospect you may be correct, show the names and pictures of every American killed in a war of choice every day our government chooses to keep troops in that war. Keep the pressure on to explain to us just why we are there and why our men are being killed and maimed.

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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I don't remember it that way. My news stations still report. As I recall, the Bush Admin didn't want pictures of coffins coming home from Iraq.
    The media finally got the right to show coffins coming home shortly after obama was elected then they suddenly did not want those pics anymore. Ask yourself why.

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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    In the Nam years the soldiers killed every day were put on your television screen every night at the end of the news. In that war the media was trying to demoralize us and turn America against the war and Nixon. Now the media has a president they worship so they do exactly the opposite, they ignore the US casualties. The medias intent during Nam was wrong but in retrospect you may be correct, show the names and pictures of every American killed in a war of choice every day our government chooses to keep troops in that war. Keep the pressure on to explain to us just why we are there and why our men are being killed and maimed.
    If the Nam coverage was to demoralize us it was only through showing us what we were calling for, the results of us allowing the government to do so, and the government being unable to satisfactorily answer the People as to why we are there. I don't know, I wouldn't say that was trying to demoralize us as much as it was showing us what we were doing and the results of what we were allowing the government to do. The demoralization came not because the Press was showing us reality, but rather because the government couldn't explain why our fellow countrymen had to continually die day in and day out for something that wasn't our problem in the first place.

    Every since the War on Terror turned into the forever war, however, media coverage has decreased and become essentially non-existent. It's not because Obama is in office, this started in Bush's term as well. We started off with coverage and then when it became clear we were going to get bogged down, coverage started to wan. Until we got what we have now and that is complete under-reporting of the war. The media machine is part of the status quo and the 4 people that own all the media are not going to let the status quo be challenged. I think now that we have this Corporate Capitalist model and the government is giving handouts, subsidies, and special treatment to the major corporations; they do not want to rock that boat. The government needs forever war to expand their power, and the Media Corp needs the government to continue existing as it does so that it can continue to provide protectionism for their little oligarchy. And so we get what we have.
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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If the Nam coverage was to demoralize us it was only through showing us what we were calling for, the results of us allowing the government to do so, and the government being unable to satisfactorily answer the People as to why we are there. I don't know, I wouldn't say that was trying to demoralize us as much as it was showing us what we were doing and the results of what we were allowing the government to do. The demoralization came not because the Press was showing us reality, but rather because the government couldn't explain why our fellow countrymen had to continually die day in and day out for something that wasn't our problem in the first place.

    Every since the War on Terror turned into the forever war, however, media coverage has decreased and become essentially non-existent. It's not because Obama is in office, this started in Bush's term as well. We started off with coverage and then when it became clear we were going to get bogged down, coverage started to wan. Until we got what we have now and that is complete under-reporting of the war. The media machine is part of the status quo and the 4 people that own all the media are not going to let the status quo be challenged. I think now that we have this Corporate Capitalist model and the government is giving handouts, subsidies, and special treatment to the major corporations; they do not want to rock that boat. The government needs forever war to expand their power, and the Media Corp needs the government to continue existing as it does so that it can continue to provide protectionism for their little oligarchy. And so we get what we have.
    Media coverage decreased when obama became commander and chief. When Bush was running the war media coverage increased and became ever more negative.


    "The major print and broadcast media coverage of the Iraq War focused overwhelmingly on stories depicting the U.S. military negatively; stories emphasizing American troop casualties as well as Iraqi civilian casualties; and stories suggesting that the U.S. was hopelessly stuck in the quagmire of an unwinnable war. When the Center for Media and Public Affairs made a nonpartisan evaluation of network news broadcasts in the United States, it found that during the active phase of the war against Saddam Hussein, 51% of all reports about the conflict were negative. Six months after the land battle had ended, 77% of the reports were negative. During the 2004 general election season, 89% were negative. By the spring of 2006, 94% were negative. This decline in media support was much more precipitous than what had occurred during the U.S. wars in Korea or Vietnam."


    Media Spinning the Iraq War - Discover the Networks

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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Media coverage decreased when obama became commander and chief. When Bush was running the war media coverage increased and became ever more negative.


    "The major print and broadcast media coverage of the Iraq War focused overwhelmingly on stories depicting the U.S. military negatively; stories emphasizing American troop casualties as well as Iraqi civilian casualties; and stories suggesting that the U.S. was hopelessly stuck in the quagmire of an unwinnable war. When the Center for Media and Public Affairs made a nonpartisan evaluation of network news broadcasts in the United States, it found that during the active phase of the war against Saddam Hussein, 51% of all reports about the conflict were negative. Six months after the land battle had ended, 77% of the reports were negative. During the 2004 general election season, 89% were negative. By the spring of 2006, 94% were negative. This decline in media support was much more precipitous than what had occurred during the U.S. wars in Korea or Vietnam."


    Media Spinning the Iraq War - Discover the Networks
    Does that mean that if we put Romney it, the news coverage will pick up and become negative again?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The media finally got the right to show coffins coming home shortly after obama was elected then they suddenly did not want those pics anymore. Ask yourself why.
    I think it's probably because people just didn't want to see them.
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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I think it's probably because people just didn't want to see them.
    I think we should have to.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Does that mean that if we put Romney it, the news coverage will pick up and become negative again?
    Could be. But the reason will likely be because of a new war and not Afghanistan. Romney has surrounded himself with Bush's foreign policy advisors, many of them neocons that are just waiting to get us into another useless war like Iraq. If you liked the Bush wars you would love a Romney Whitehouse.

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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Could be. But the reason will likely be because of a new war and not Afghanistan. Romney has surrounded himself with Bush's foreign policy advisors, many of them neocons that are just waiting to get us into another useless war like Iraq. I you liked the Bush wars you would love a Romney Whitehouse.
    If you loved the Bush wars, you've loved the Obama Whitehouse as well.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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