View Poll Results: Has America become numb to troop deaths in Afghanistan

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Thread: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Your view of the man and his veracity doesn't counter the facts that he started troop withdrawl upon taking office. He did his best to not strand the rest as he worked to end that conflict. There's a lot to hate about Nixon, but there's a lot to love too.

    But none of that should take the light off the original point - that Obama made a promise he didn't keep, still hasn't kept and dreaming that he may keep it in the future is just that, a dream. Especially since he'd be a second termer who is under NO political obligation to keep ANY promise.
    ok it's obama's fault. everything is obamas fault. you have convinced just because you said so.

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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When Bush was president and the Iraq surge was going on all you heard about on the nightly news was how many US troops were being killed. Now the media pretty much ignores the casualty count even though it was higher in obamas Afghan surge than it was in the Iraq surge. This is no coincidence and this is not about people getting used to our soldiers being killed, it is about the liberal media covering the wars under obama and Bush in an entirely different fashion. The truth is the media is doing all it can to shade the news to favor obama just as they did to portray Bush in the worst possible light.. Americans have not become numb they are just not being told about US casualties and I'll bet most think there are far fewer in Afghanistan under obama than there were under Bush.


    CNSNews.com) - Two-thirds of U.S. military fatalities in the decade-long Afghan war have occurred since May 15, 2009, when the first wave of the troop surge ordered by President Barack Obama arrived in Afghanistan.

    "The 1,180 U.S. military fatalities in Afghanistan reported between May 15, 2009 and today account for approximately 66 percent of the total of 1,792 U.S. military fatalities in that country since the beginning of the war in October 2001, according to CNSNews.com’s database of all fatalities in the war."


    More US Troop Deaths in Afghanistan Under Obama Than Bush
    Full story: End the Federal Reserve

    As early as August of 2010, the number of American soldiers, who had died in Afghanistan under Barack Obama, surpassed the number of troops that died under George W. Bush’s authority. Think about it: In less than two years, Obama’s actions have resulted in the deaths of more Americans in Afghanistan than in eight years of Bush’s Presidency.
    yeah we'll have to impeach him for that, shoot the vp and then bohner can take over and run against romney.

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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Yes and no.

    We have become numb in the sense that we hear new numbers everyday and likely don't feel the same amount of emotion as we did at the beginning. In fact, I don't think it would be healthy to be emotionally invested in every report of troop deaths anymore than it would be to be so for all the other types of death that happen every day. The world would be miserable and live would be a waste.

    We haven't become numb in the sense that hearing about people dying is still something that affects us and that we don't want to happen. We also haven't become numb in the sense that if we focus how many people have died instead going about our day, it would probably be painful, especially if we're focused on a single person's life, family and general story. I also think most people would prefer that the remaining troops could come home alive as soon as possible which means that people certainly still care a lot.
    that all might be true.... if it was true we hear about this stuff every day, but we don't

    the media shifted it's focus away from he war, in general, a few years ago.

    as for why they shifted their focus... well, i'm sure folks will insert whatever reason they dream up.

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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that all might be true.... if it was true we hear about this stuff every day, but we don't

    the media shifted it's focus away from he war, in general, a few years ago.

    as for why they shifted their focus... well, i'm sure folks will insert whatever reason they dream up.
    I don't know if it's everyday, but I hear and read about it pretty often. It's not something that's out of the news for very long.

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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It is sad when you think of the 4500 Iraq war deaths and how every one of them could have been prevented.
    Obama did not start that war in Afghanistan But he is at least going to finish it.
    Wait...thats a little bit schizo, dont you think? I thought Afghanistan was where the war was REALLY at and that IS the war Obama would have supported? Bloody ****ing hell...wont you people EVER pick a side and will you turn EVERY SINGLE TOPIC into a 'its not his fault' commentary?

    Obama has 'owned' Afghanistan for nearly 4 years. He applied for the job. Own the bitch. People are dying and his 'policy' there is a disaster.

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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When Bush was president and the Iraq surge was going on all you heard about on the nightly news was how many US troops were being killed. Now the media pretty much ignores the casualty count even though it was higher in obamas Afghan surge than it was in the Iraq surge. This is no coincidence and this is not about people getting used to our soldiers being killed, it is about the liberal media covering the wars under obama and Bush in an entirely different fashion. The truth is the media is doing all it can to shade the news to favor obama just as they did to portray Bush in the worst possible light.. Americans have not become numb they are just not being told about US casualties and I'll bet most think there are far fewer in Afghanistan under obama than there were under Bush.


    CNSNews.com) - Two-thirds of U.S. military fatalities in the decade-long Afghan war have occurred since May 15, 2009, when the first wave of the troop surge ordered by President Barack Obama arrived in Afghanistan.

    "The 1,180 U.S. military fatalities in Afghanistan reported between May 15, 2009 and today account for approximately 66 percent of the total of 1,792 U.S. military fatalities in that country since the beginning of the war in October 2001, according to CNSNews.com’s database of all fatalities in the war."


    More US Troop Deaths in Afghanistan Under Obama Than Bush
    Full story: End the Federal Reserve

    As early as August of 2010, the number of American soldiers, who had died in Afghanistan under Barack Obama, surpassed the number of troops that died under George W. Bush’s authority. Think about it: In less than two years, Obama’s actions have resulted in the deaths of more Americans in Afghanistan than in eight years of Bush’s Presidency.
    The lack of reporting is a indicator of media bias, not whether or not the the public as a whole is numb to troop deaths. When Bush was president troop deaths mattered in the media's eyes.Now that Obama is president troop deaths are meaningless to liberals in general. I remember on another forum back when Bush was president a liberal had a troop death thread and posted on it any time a troop death was reported. Now that Obama is president he seems to no longer care.
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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Wait...thats a little bit schizo, dont you think? I thought Afghanistan was where the war was REALLY at and that IS the war Obama would have supported? Bloody ****ing hell...wont you people EVER pick a side and will you turn EVERY SINGLE TOPIC into a 'its not his fault' commentary?

    Obama has 'owned' Afghanistan for nearly 4 years. He applied for the job. Own the bitch. People are dying and his 'policy' there is a disaster.
    you never complained about it when bush was president.

    now all of a sudden the conservatives are against the war?

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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    you never complained about it when bush was president.

    now all of a sudden the conservatives are against the war?
    You are completely wrong and may have seen it here. I believe Bush failed COMPLETELY in the post war ops and we should have been out of both countries no later than 5 years after our enemies were defeated. Said so thyen and have said so countless times here. Ive 'been' there. I know those people. **** them. They should have been told to sink or swim...5 years and out.

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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I think it's a bit of both. I agree with you that the media is far less willing to hold Obama accountable for war casualties than they were for Bush (or than they probably would have been for McCain). It's sad that they give him a pass on this, because Obama's Afghanistan policy has been catastrophic.

    But I also think that it's true that people are just more war-weary. Many of us can barely remember a time we weren't at war. I started following politics during the 2000 election, when I was 16 years old. A year later, we were at war and have been ever since...so I don't even really remember a time when we were at peace, and it seems like the war casualties are the new normal. I think there is something to be said for the idea that people are numb to casualties and it doesn't really register anymore.
    I'm glad that you, as a liberal, can see this. I have thought it for awhile. The media does give President Obama a pass on this particular subject. I don't understand it. This isn't the economy or gay marriage, both things he has gotten a pass on. These are human beings losing their lives, families being shattered, the best of us being killed. For what? We (service members) don't know. I didn't agree with Iraq, but at least when I deployed there I knew why. I could see progress being made, a strategy was given to us, an endstate that was reachable and realistic was there. In Afghanistan, we walk right past the very thing that funds the insurgency (poppy) everyday and do nothing about it. When we arrive in country, we are given rules of what not to do, regulations to follow, and a brief to watch out for "friendly" fire from Afghani police and soldiers. There is no goal given. There is no endstate. It seems that everyone, to include the Generals in charge of the war, haven essentially surrendered to the inevitable result of our excursion there. That being we are the same as Alexander the Great and the Russians, a more powerful yet defeated invader that will be sent home with its tail between its legs. All the while, Marines and soldiers on the ground know exactly what we need to do to win. 1st, burn the poppy and replace it with wheat (which requires the exact same conditions to grow as poppy). Provide a way for Afghani farmers to export their wheat and not just sell in domestically. 2nd, stop being so risk averse and allow us to use our combined arms, maneuver warfare approach that has worked so well in the past. Insurgents and terrorists don't get peed on when we can just blow them away. That is much more satisfying. 3rd, stop trying to train Afghani police and soldiers the same way we did Iraiq's. We should not be living with these treacherous people. Not yet. 4th, stop putting up with Karzai's crooked ways. Cut funding to things he wants until he realizes we won't deal with his crap anymore. There's so much more, but, this post is becoming ridiculously long already.
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    Re: War-weary US is numbed to drumbeat of troop deaths

    Troop deaths are inevitable when you occupy a foreign land.

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