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Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

Which is he

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Mickey Shane said:
Well, I'm not exactly locked up. I can play my guitar and ride my motorcycle, the latter being somewhat controlled by the State of Texas. I can read and have in my possession any book ever printed. I can change jobs. I can move anywhere in the country that my heart desires, even to places outside of the US.
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You were unable to come up with a single thing you can do that the federal, state or your local government was not involved in. For every activity you mentioned there are rules, regulations, and laws that impact every one of them.
 
zstep18 said:
Marx said that Communism will come about after a revolution, where the proletariat will overthrow the ruling class.
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Okay. I am quite sure Marx got more wrong than right. Communism never comes. We are always struck at the dictatorship of the proles stage.
Do you believe that the one term Marxist flexible with our enemies president Barrack Hussein Obama will usher in Communist utopia? LOL.
 
Misterveritis said:
Okay. I am quite sure Marx got more wrong than right. Communism never comes. We are always struck at the dictatorship of the proles stage.
Do you believe that the one term Marxist flexible with our enemies president Barrack Hussein Obama will usher in Communist utopia? LOL.
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I'm confused. You were the one who said you know a lot about Marxism. I was just telling you what Marx specifically said. Marx said that Communism comes when the proletariat overthrow the capitalists.

What do you mean "Communism never comes" and what do you mean "Marx got more wrong than right"? You're claiming that Obama is a Marxist, therefore Obama should be doing the same things that Marx advocated and predicted.
 
zstep18 said:
I'm confused. You were the one who said you know a lot about Marxism. I was just telling you what Marx specifically said. Marx said that Communism comes when the proletariat overthrow the capitalists.
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Yes. And Communism never gets here. We are always stuck in the dictatorship of the proles stage. Always. The state never withers away. Never.

What do you mean "Communism never comes" and what do you mean "Marx got more wrong than right"? You're claiming that Obama is a Marxist, therefore Obama should be doing the same things that Marx advocated and predicted.
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Have you eve seen any nation where the state apparatus of domination and control withers away and ushers in the Communist utopia? I never have.
Marx had a nice sounding, hypnotic, seductive theory. It has never worked in practice outside of very small groups.

But Marxism is a great tool for bringing the people in line with the utopian promises. Hope and Change falls right in line with Marxist utopian promises. The one term Marxist flexible with our enemies president Barrack Hussein Obama does what he can. He denigrates success, he uses the instruments of government against the governed. He uses the instruments of fascism through massive regulation to burden businesses and wreck capital formation.

If he were to remain in office in four more years we would not be living in a free, nor a prosperous nation any longer.
 
Medusa said:
this was your love junior bush who supported that fascism .....

and turkey is still the only one country which cant be ****ed easily....

study it.
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Well, the US has been pretty bad in foreign affairs in general. Look at Nicaragua and Guatemala, for instance. The war on communism wan't exactly pretty, either.
 
Medusa said:
yes ,i may have much more marxixt tendencies than obama
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Most people do. While a Marxist would never bail out a corporations, our buddy Barack's made his name on Keynesian Economics, so that a big difference in and of itself.
 
waas said:
Most people do. While a Marxist would never bail out a corporations, our buddy Barack's made his name on Keynesian Economics, so that a big difference in and of itself.
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I can tell that you lack imagination.

The one term Marxist flexible with our enemies president Barrack Hussein Obama used our tax dollars to enrich his friends and ensure the steady flow of campaign contributions. Follow the money laundering. Marxists are nearly always very corrupt.
 
Misterveritis said:
I can tell that you lack imagination.

The one term Marxist flexible with our enemies president Barrack Hussein Obama used our tax dollars to enrich his friends and ensure the steady flow of campaign contributions. Follow the money laundering. Marxists are nearly always very corrupt.
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What has the on term Marxist, flexible with out enemies, President Barack Obama, done that screams Marxism? Please tell me.
 
zstep18 said:
What has the on term Marxist, flexible with out enemies, President Barack Obama, done that screams Marxism? Please tell me.
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Sigh. Have you never read any of the dozens of posts already answering this very question?

He has done what he is able to do. He has denigrated individual achievement unless that achievement somehow furthered the state. He nationalized a sizable portion of the auto industry. he has nationalized a sizable portion of the finance industry. he has positioned the US government to take over health care, another one-0sixth of the economy. he had damaged our ability to accumulate capital through onerous, costly regulations (about one trillion in costs to businesses each year). He has dramatically increased the cost of energy. he has used the EPA to bankrupt a half dozen coal companies.

How is that for starters?
 
Misterveritis said:
I can tell that you lack imagination.

The one term Marxist flexible with our enemies president Barrack Hussein Obama used our tax dollars to enrich his friends and ensure the steady flow of campaign contributions. Follow the money laundering. Marxists are nearly always very corrupt.
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That's a very dangerous misconception. Marxists are no more corrupt than any other politician and if you have testable evidence to prove otherwise, then I welcome you to present it. I also don't know how baling out corporations equates to money laundering either, as it's calling Keynesian Economics a convictable, criminal ideology. Oh, an I have yet to see any evidence from you that the incumbent's Marxist flexible. He's a left winger, I'll give you that, but aside from potential alignment between Marxism and left wing political thought as a whole, there's really nothing to prove your theory.
 
waas said:
That's a very dangerous misconception. Marxists are no more corrupt than any other politician and if you have testable evidence to prove otherwise, then I welcome you to present it. I also don't know how baling out corporations equates to money laundering either, as it's calling Keynesian Economics a convictable, criminal ideology. Oh, an I have yet to see any evidence from you that the incumbent's Marxist flexible. He's a left winger, I'll give you that, but aside from potential alignment between Marxism and left wing political thought as a whole, there's really nothing to prove your theory.
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Again, you lack imagination. There is no shame in this. It is what it is.

The one term Marxist bailed out his friends. They, in turn gave him political contributions. Even Marxists need to be re-elected.
The one term Marxist was caught on an open mike telling V. Putin to give him some time as he could be much more flexible after the election. What was the traitorous flexible president trying to give away?
He is possibly the most corrupt politician we have had in the White House in this century. He took nearly a trillion taxpayer dollars and gave the money to public sector unions to keep them employed. He gave his friends and campaign contributors loans to enrich them. I believe that most, and possibly all of them declared bankruptcy. But the friends became very wealthy and the Bamster got his campaign contributions. What could be more imaginative than taking money from one's political enemies, the productive people, the wealth makers, giving the money to friends who in turn became very wealth and then gave a portion of that money back to Democrats as campaign contributions.
 
socialist or communist eh?

neither...

he's a left leaning authoritarian opportunist.

Id say he's a capitalist, but that implies being part of the commercial market... and beyond being a consumer, he hasn't been a part of that world ( he's a public sector guy)
 
Misterveritis said:
Again, you lack imagination. There is no shame in this. It is what it is.

The one term Marxist bailed out his friends. They, in turn gave him political contributions. Even Marxists need to be re-elected.
The one term Marxist was caught on an open mike telling V. Putin to give him some time as he could be much more flexible after the election. What was the traitorous flexible president trying to give away?
He is possibly the most corrupt politician we have had in the White House in this century. He took nearly a trillion taxpayer dollars and gave the money to public sector unions to keep them employed. He gave his friends and campaign contributors loans to enrich them. I believe that most, and possibly all of them declared bankruptcy. But the friends became very wealthy and the Bamster got his campaign contributions. What could be more imaginative than taking money from one's political enemies, the productive people, the wealth makers, giving the money to friends who in turn became very wealth and then gave a portion of that money back to Democrats as campaign contributions.
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Again, I fail to see any proof here.

The Putin bit, that could be put in the context of arms reductions. But of course, you fail to give any citation, and I therefore cannot speculate further.

You also imply here that the incumbent's enemies are citizens in the upper third. That's sod, pure and simple.

Lacking imagination is good in a conversation such as this, being that it deals in absolutes; we know Obama did this, we don't know Obama did that. I'm not going to go around imagining ways that he could be a Marxist, as you seem to be doing. If I find certifiable proof of any Marxist leanings, then I'll believe in their validity. If not, then I won't.
 
waas said:
Again, I fail to see any proof here.
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And this part required no imagination. Obama bailed out his friends. His bailed out friends gave democrats large campaign contributions. This is money laundering. It is corruption.

The Putin bit, that could be put in the context of arms reductions. But of course, you fail to give any citation, and I therefore cannot speculate further.
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Perhaps you don't get out much.
[video]http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/obamas-private-message-putin-overheard-16007162[/video]
 
waas said:
You also imply here that the incumbent's enemies are citizens in the upper third. That's sod, pure and simple.
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I have no idea what this means. Please clarify.

Lacking imagination is good in a conversation such as this, being that it deals in absolutes; we know Obama did this, we don't know Obama did that. I'm not going to go around imagining ways that he could be a Marxist, as you seem to be doing. If I find certifiable proof of any Marxist leanings, then I'll believe in their validity. If not, then I won't.
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So we are back to your inability to connect the dots. I understand. As I said, it is nothing to be ashamed of.

I laugh at the idea of certifiable proof. You shall have it when it is too late to do anything about it.
 
Misterveritis said:
And this part required no imagination. Obama bailed out his friends. His bailed out friends gave democrats large campaign contributions. This is money laundering. It is corruption.
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So we're back your misconception that corruption implies Marxism(and vice versa). As I told you before, provide some testable evidence to support that claim.

Perhaps you don't get out much.
[video]http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/obamas-private-message-putin-overheard-16007162[/video]
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I wasn't able to load the video, but thanks anyways. If you can provide a written article(non opinion) on the issue, that would be great.
 
Neither... A corporatist capitalist
 
Misterveritis said:
I have no idea what this means. Please clarify.
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Class structure. The thirds are based on income, and are divided further based on how the wealth is distributed at any given time.

So we are back to your inability to connect the dots. I understand. As I said, it is nothing to be ashamed of.

I laugh at the idea of certifiable proof. You shall have it when it is too late to do anything about it.
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It's okay if you can't provide any evidence. My "inability to connect the dots" is a valid reason not to.
 
waas said:
So we're back your misconception that corruption implies Marxism(and vice versa). As I told you before, provide some testable evidence to support that claim.

I wasn't able to load the video, but thanks anyways. If you can provide a written article(non opinion) on the issue, that would be great.
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I am only willing to give you a hand up. You want a hand out. If you are actually interested you can find the answers you need.
 
waas said:
Class structure. The thirds are based on income, and are divided further based on how the wealth is distributed at any given time.
It's okay if you can't provide any evidence. My "inability to connect the dots" is a valid reason not to.
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There is no further point showing you the light. Some people are simply blind to it.
 
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