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Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

Which is he

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zstep18 said:
Right, so you believe the government should grow in regards to national defense, while others believe government should grow with regards to social policy. Which is more invasive, health care reform or the Patriot Act?
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Well, now...I don't think I said the government should grow in regards to national defense...regardless your attempt to put words in my mouth.

However...when given a choice of whether a massive government program is desirable or not, I tend to come down, fundamentally, on the side of the Constitution.
 
zstep18 said:
But liberals are socialist! (sarcasm)
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Liberals have no problem picking and choosing parts of both socialism and communism to justify their utopian, government-is-the-answer-to-all-our-problems world view.
 
Mycroft said:
Liberals have no problem picking and choosing parts of both socialism and communism to justify their utopian, government-is-the-answer-to-all-our-problems world view.
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Which, by definition, makes them not socialist, but liberal.
 
Obama's act of signing the Affordable Care Act was an act of crony Capitalism, not Socialism or Communism.

Fining citizens if they don't buy a product from a private company, is a purely Capitalist act and perhaps the largest one ever committed in our history. Thirty million Americans spending $10,000 or more a year on insurance means a $300 billion every year to the health insurance companies. Surely this was as Capitalist an act as they come.
 
Spring99 said:
Obama's act of signing the Affordable Care Act was an act of crony Capitalism, not Socialism or Communism.

Fining citizens if they don't buy a product from a private company, is a purely Capitalist act and perhaps the largest one ever committed in our history. Thirty million Americans spending $10,000 or more a year on insurance means a $300 billion every year to the health insurance companies. Surely this was as Capitalist an act as they come.
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No, it is not a capitalist act. It is a fascist act. Capitalism is free people engaging in free and voluntary exchange. The state colluding with business to compel the purchase of a product to achieve a certain political end is fascism. Obamacare is fascism.
 
Andalublue said:
Yeah, we are. You only speak for yourself.

In any country in the world, US included, he's a capitalist.
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What does being a capitalist have to do with my comment? I was talking about whether he's a conservative or not.

Way to snip a small part of my comment to make your case, dude.
 
Mycroft said:
Yes.
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Ok, I thought you were trying to make one of the arguments I often see here which goes along the lines of "if its not conservative, its communist/socialist/fascist/etc"
 
I said, "He spent his formative years surrounded by Marxists, Communists, socialists, Progressives, and liberals. He even managed to find time to hang around with radicals and terrorists. He grew up in Indonesia, an Islamic nation. He is anti-American. He is a foreigner in many ways.

He needs to go.

We need to defeat him so he and the impeached president "Slick willie" can hang around together."

Objective-J said:
I think you are looking for the conspiracy forum lol
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Let's take these one at a time to see where we disagree:
1. He spent his formative years surrounded by Marxists, Communists, socialists, Progressives, and liberals.
However, as shown in Dreams from My Real Father, Barack Obama in fact has a deeply disturbing family background, which he intentionally hid, in order to obscure a Marxist political foundation. While voters will overlook some fudging by politicians, promoting a false family background to hide a Marxist agenda irreconcilable with American values is a totally unacceptable manipulation of the electorate.

At age 18, Barack Obama admittedly arrived at Occidental College a committed revolutionary Marxist. Based on Obama’s own accounts, there can be no doubt that Frank Marshall Davis, a Communist Party USA Propagandist, and former Soviet Agent, indoctrinated Obama with a Marxist world view during his formative years. This is a known phenomenon amongst the radical left, referred to as “Red Diaper Babies” or “hand-me-down Marxism.” Much of the leadership of the SDS and Weather Underground were children of Communist Party USA members, including Katherine Boudin, Jeff Jones, and many more. David Axelrod is also a “Red Diaper Baby”, his mother was a Red journalist.​
The Vetting: ‘Obama, Radical Islam and the Soros Connection’! - Tea Party Command Center

2. He even managed to find time to hang around with radicals and terrorists.
It is imperative for us not to underestimate the Statist-Marxist influence the unabashed card-carrying member of the Communist Party, Frank Marshall Davis had on Barack Obama during his formative teenage years in Hawaii.

At Occidental, Columbia and Harvard, Obama tells us he surrounded himself with Marxists professors, structural feminists, Franz Fanon and other radical socialists and big government advocates. After Harvard Obama’s tutelage was with disciples of Marxist Saul Alinsky as he learned the ropes of revolutionary “rules for radicals” in the communities of Chicago. In 1998, Illinois State Senator Barack Obama was not only an honored guest to watch the play The Love Song of Saul Alinsky, he was a spokes person for the play and defended the cultural Marxist worldview of Alinsky.​
A Tale of Two Visions: America
3. He grew up in Indonesia, an Islamic nation.
In October 1967, Obama and his mother moved to Jakarta to rejoin his stepfather. Obama, his mother and his stepfather initially lived in a rented house at 16 Kyai Haji Ramli Tengah Street in a newly built neighborhood in the Menteng Dalam administrative village of the Tebet subdistrict in South Jakarta for two and a half years, with his stepfather working on a topographic survey for the Indonesian government.[19][20] From January 1968 to December 1969, Obama's mother taught English and was an assistant director of the U.S. government-subsidized Indonesia-America Friendship Institute,[21] while Obama attended the Indonesian-language Santo Fransiskus Asisi (St. Francis of Assisi) Catholic School around the corner from their house for 1st, 2nd, and part of 3rd grade.[19]
In 1970, Obama's stepfather's financial situation was improved by a new job in Union Oil Company's government relations office,[8][22][23][24] and the family moved two miles north to 22 Taman Amir Hamzah Street in the Matraman Dalam neighborhood in the Pegangsaan administrative village of the Menteng subdistrict in Central Jakarta.[19][25] From January 1970 to August 1972, Obama's mother taught English and was a department head and a director of the Institute of Management Education and Development,[21] while Obama attended the Indonesian-language government-run Besuki School, one and half miles east in the exclusive Menteng administrative village, for part of 3rd grade and for 4th grade,[19]​
Early life and career of Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4. He is anti-American.
5. He is a foreigner in many ways.
6. He needs to go.
7. We need to defeat him so he and the impeached president "Slick willie" can hang around together.
 
So in your world, people should solely be judged by the company they keep. Quick, someone tell Jesus...
 
Mycroft said:
While I agree he needs to go, I don't agree with your over-the-top rhetoric on why. For me, it's enough that he wants to implement the liberal agenda and grow the government.
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There is nothing over the top about facts.
He spent his formative years in the hands of Marxists. He clearly believes that the government is the answer to every problem. He violates the Constitution with impunity (separation of powers).
He said he could be more flexible with the Russia's strong man Putin after the election.

He is a bad man. He must be defeated.
 
Mycroft said:
While I agree he needs to go, I don't agree with your over-the-top rhetoric on why. For me, it's enough that he wants to implement the liberal agenda and grow the government.
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He did win the first election didn't he? So shouldn't he be allowed to at least put forward his agenda? I mean when Bush was in there, he ran things far more like a dictator than Obama has.

When you win an election you get to run things the way you see fit. The people put you in there for a reason, not to pander to the other side and ask them like a big softy "what do you think we should do"
 
JohnWOlin said:
Lol wut. Btw bush and the bin laden family used to be tight. What about Rumsfeld and Saddam sitting in the parlor smokin' cigars?
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Did Bush spend his formative years living is Saudi Arabia, attending a Madrassa?
Did Rumsfeld seek out Hussein to be best buds with during his college years?

It is no shame to be unable to connect even the most obvious of dots.
 
Das Sozialist said:
Care to name some of them?
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The one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama names them in his book. See some of my other posts.

He lived there for four years. Do you consider that 'growing up' there?
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Grades 1 through 4. Yes. Those were the beginnings of his formative years.

Do you mind elaborating? How is he anti-American and a foreigner?
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Anti-American first. His driving philosophy is strongly influenced by Karl Marx. Radical Karl: His ideas played a significant role in the development of social science and the socialist movement. He published various books during his lifetime, with the most notable being The Communist Manifesto (1848) and Capital (1867–1894); some of his works were co-written with his friend and fellow German revolutionary socialist, Friedrich Engels.[4] Karl Marx - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Radical Barrack and Radical Karl are like two peas in a pod. He is not just un-American, he is actively against the US.
He is a foreigner in many ways. He is anti capitalism. That is foreign. He is anti-individualism. That is foreign. He is damaging the US. For a president that too, is foreign.
 
Misterveritis said:
I said, "He spent his formative years surrounded by Marxists, Communists, socialists, Progressives, and liberals. He even managed to find time to hang around with radicals and terrorists. He grew up in Indonesia, an Islamic nation. He is anti-American. He is a foreigner in many ways.

He needs to go.

We need to defeat him so he and the impeached president "Slick willie" can hang around together."


Let's take these one at a time to see where we disagree:
1. He spent his formative years surrounded by Marxists, Communists, socialists, Progressives, and liberals.
However, as shown in Dreams from My Real Father, Barack Obama in fact has a deeply disturbing family background, which he intentionally hid, in order to obscure a Marxist political foundation. While voters will overlook some fudging by politicians, promoting a false family background to hide a Marxist agenda irreconcilable with American values is a totally unacceptable manipulation of the electorate.

At age 18, Barack Obama admittedly arrived at Occidental College a committed revolutionary Marxist. Based on Obama’s own accounts, there can be no doubt that Frank Marshall Davis, a Communist Party USA Propagandist, and former Soviet Agent, indoctrinated Obama with a Marxist world view during his formative years. This is a known phenomenon amongst the radical left, referred to as “Red Diaper Babies” or “hand-me-down Marxism.” Much of the leadership of the SDS and Weather Underground were children of Communist Party USA members, including Katherine Boudin, Jeff Jones, and many more. David Axelrod is also a “Red Diaper Baby”, his mother was a Red journalist.​
The Vetting: ‘Obama, Radical Islam and the Soros Connection’! - Tea Party Command Center

2. He even managed to find time to hang around with radicals and terrorists.
It is imperative for us not to underestimate the Statist-Marxist influence the unabashed card-carrying member of the Communist Party, Frank Marshall Davis had on Barack Obama during his formative teenage years in Hawaii.

At Occidental, Columbia and Harvard, Obama tells us he surrounded himself with Marxists professors, structural feminists, Franz Fanon and other radical socialists and big government advocates. After Harvard Obama’s tutelage was with disciples of Marxist Saul Alinsky as he learned the ropes of revolutionary “rules for radicals” in the communities of Chicago. In 1998, Illinois State Senator Barack Obama was not only an honored guest to watch the play The Love Song of Saul Alinsky, he was a spokes person for the play and defended the cultural Marxist worldview of Alinsky.​
A Tale of Two Visions: America
3. He grew up in Indonesia, an Islamic nation.
In October 1967, Obama and his mother moved to Jakarta to rejoin his stepfather. Obama, his mother and his stepfather initially lived in a rented house at 16 Kyai Haji Ramli Tengah Street in a newly built neighborhood in the Menteng Dalam administrative village of the Tebet subdistrict in South Jakarta for two and a half years, with his stepfather working on a topographic survey for the Indonesian government.[19][20] From January 1968 to December 1969, Obama's mother taught English and was an assistant director of the U.S. government-subsidized Indonesia-America Friendship Institute,[21] while Obama attended the Indonesian-language Santo Fransiskus Asisi (St. Francis of Assisi) Catholic School around the corner from their house for 1st, 2nd, and part of 3rd grade.[19]
In 1970, Obama's stepfather's financial situation was improved by a new job in Union Oil Company's government relations office,[8][22][23][24] and the family moved two miles north to 22 Taman Amir Hamzah Street in the Matraman Dalam neighborhood in the Pegangsaan administrative village of the Menteng subdistrict in Central Jakarta.[19][25] From January 1970 to August 1972, Obama's mother taught English and was a department head and a director of the Institute of Management Education and Development,[21] while Obama attended the Indonesian-language government-run Besuki School, one and half miles east in the exclusive Menteng administrative village, for part of 3rd grade and for 4th grade,[19]​
Early life and career of Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4. He is anti-American.
5. He is a foreigner in many ways.
6. He needs to go.
7. We need to defeat him so he and the impeached president "Slick willie" can hang around together.
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some facts, lots of assumptions/conclusions based on opinion, and some more opinion.

Like I said the conspiracy forum is lower on the home page :)

say what ever you want, I read all this stuff and tons more like it, i dont share your assumptions and opinions based off of some of the facts above, not going to change that either because thats all it is, lots of your opinion based off of some facts. :shrug:
 
zstep18 said:
So, he's a Communist, in addition to being an ant-American Islamic fundamentalist, foreigner? Wow.

You might as well just call him Satan.
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I cannot recall ever saying that BHO is a Communist. That would be silly as he is a Democrat.

No, he is very strongly influenced by the Marxism, socialism, and Progressivism he was steeped in during his early life. He intentionally cultivated his Marxist and radical ties through his college years.

I did not say he was an Islamic fundamentalist. I did say he grew up in Islamic Indonesia (Jakarta). He was in Jakarta for grades 1-4.
I did not say he was a foreigner. I did say in many ways he is foreign.
 
megaprogman said:
Ok, I thought you were trying to make one of the arguments I often see here which goes along the lines of "if its not conservative, its communist/socialist/fascist/etc"
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This was my first post in this thread:

Mycroft said:
He's not a Socialist or a Communist.

He's a liberal.
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Misterveritis said:
I cannot recall ever saying that BHO is a Communist. That would be silly as he is a Democrat.

No, he is very strongly influenced by the Marxism, socialism, and Progressivism he was steeped in during his early life. He intentionally cultivated his Marxist and radical ties through his college years.

I did not say he was an Islamic fundamentalist. I did say he grew up in Islamic Indonesia (Jakarta). He was in Jakarta for grades 1-4.
I did not say he was a foreigner. I did say in many ways he is foreign.
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How much did your chalk board cost you?
 
He's a social democrat. I.e. in the United States, an extreme left-winger. A socialist. I don't believe he wants to abolish private property... we just know he doesn't respect it.
 
megaprogman said:
Consider the way Bernie Sanders would have approached the bank bailout as an example. He would likely do wide scale nationalization as well as some very direct wealth transfers. Obama did not do this, but tried to find more (not completely mind you) market oriented solutions similar to what the top government economists at the time were suggesting.
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This is laughable.
A market oriented solution would be a normal bankruptcy. Government economists propose a government solution. Boy am I surprised at that strange twist of events.
 
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