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Thread: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Ok, I thought you were trying to make one of the arguments I often see here which goes along the lines of "if its not conservative, its communist/socialist/fascist/etc"
    This was my first post in this thread:

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    He's not a Socialist or a Communist.

    He's a liberal.
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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I cannot recall ever saying that BHO is a Communist. That would be silly as he is a Democrat.

    No, he is very strongly influenced by the Marxism, socialism, and Progressivism he was steeped in during his early life. He intentionally cultivated his Marxist and radical ties through his college years.

    I did not say he was an Islamic fundamentalist. I did say he grew up in Islamic Indonesia (Jakarta). He was in Jakarta for grades 1-4.
    I did not say he was a foreigner. I did say in many ways he is foreign.
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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    He's a social democrat. I.e. in the United States, an extreme left-winger. A socialist. I don't believe he wants to abolish private property... we just know he doesn't respect it.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Consider the way Bernie Sanders would have approached the bank bailout as an example. He would likely do wide scale nationalization as well as some very direct wealth transfers. Obama did not do this, but tried to find more (not completely mind you) market oriented solutions similar to what the top government economists at the time were suggesting.
    This is laughable.
    A market oriented solution would be a normal bankruptcy. Government economists propose a government solution. Boy am I surprised at that strange twist of events.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    How much did your chalk board cost you?
    that was actually REALLY funny. I laughed out loud for real
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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    He's a social democrat. I.e. in the United States, an extreme left-winger. A socialist. I don't believe he wants to abolish private property... we just know he doesn't respect it.
    This only because the average person in the US has no idea what a socialist actually is and can't tell the difference.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    This only because the average person in the US has no idea what a socialist actually is and can't tell the difference.
    Social democrats are socialists.

    How many times do you have to hear a politician say he is his brother's keeper and advocate spreading wealth around and establishing soak the rich taxation schemes for you to realize that someone advocates the philosophy that describes all of those things.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Social democrats are socialists.

    How many times do you have to hear a politician say he is his brother's keeper and advocate spreading wealth around and establishing soak the rich taxation schemes for you to realize that someone advocates the philosophy that describes all of those things.
    Socialism is a very specific policy markedly different from a social democratic stance which espouses modified capitalism but still promotes capitalism.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    He did win the first election didn't he? So shouldn't he be allowed to at least put forward his agenda? I mean when Bush was in there, he ran things far more like a dictator than Obama has.

    When you win an election you get to run things the way you see fit. The people put you in there for a reason, not to pander to the other side and ask them like a big softy "what do you think we should do"
    First of all, I won't stoop to your level by talking about Bush. He's not the topic of this thread.

    Now. While Obama did win his first election, that doesn't mean I now have to agree with him. It doesn't mean I don't do what I can to boot him out in the next election. And, it surely doesn't mean I have to now like his agenda.

    So...what's your point?
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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spring99 View Post
    Obama's act of signing the Affordable Care Act was an act of crony Capitalism, not Socialism or Communism.

    Fining citizens if they don't buy a product from a private company, is a purely Capitalist act and perhaps the largest one ever committed in our history. Thirty million Americans spending $10,000 or more a year on insurance means a $300 billion every year to the health insurance companies. Surely this was as Capitalist an act as they come.
    There is far more too it. This is intended to drive most insurance companies out of the insurance business. Think of it as the first step toward nationalizing one-sixth of the US economy.
    When politicians control your health care they have you. "When you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow." If you've got them by the balls...

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