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Thread: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    What are you talking about?
    Marx said that Communism will come about after a revolution, where the proletariat will overthrow the ruling class.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Marx said that Communism will come about after a revolution, where the proletariat will overthrow the ruling class.
    Okay. I am quite sure Marx got more wrong than right. Communism never comes. We are always struck at the dictatorship of the proles stage.
    Do you believe that the one term Marxist flexible with our enemies president Barrack Hussein Obama will usher in Communist utopia? LOL.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Okay. I am quite sure Marx got more wrong than right. Communism never comes. We are always struck at the dictatorship of the proles stage.
    Do you believe that the one term Marxist flexible with our enemies president Barrack Hussein Obama will usher in Communist utopia? LOL.
    I'm confused. You were the one who said you know a lot about Marxism. I was just telling you what Marx specifically said. Marx said that Communism comes when the proletariat overthrow the capitalists.

    What do you mean "Communism never comes" and what do you mean "Marx got more wrong than right"? You're claiming that Obama is a Marxist, therefore Obama should be doing the same things that Marx advocated and predicted.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    I'm confused. You were the one who said you know a lot about Marxism. I was just telling you what Marx specifically said. Marx said that Communism comes when the proletariat overthrow the capitalists.
    Yes. And Communism never gets here. We are always stuck in the dictatorship of the proles stage. Always. The state never withers away. Never.

    What do you mean "Communism never comes" and what do you mean "Marx got more wrong than right"? You're claiming that Obama is a Marxist, therefore Obama should be doing the same things that Marx advocated and predicted.
    Have you eve seen any nation where the state apparatus of domination and control withers away and ushers in the Communist utopia? I never have.
    Marx had a nice sounding, hypnotic, seductive theory. It has never worked in practice outside of very small groups.

    But Marxism is a great tool for bringing the people in line with the utopian promises. Hope and Change falls right in line with Marxist utopian promises. The one term Marxist flexible with our enemies president Barrack Hussein Obama does what he can. He denigrates success, he uses the instruments of government against the governed. He uses the instruments of fascism through massive regulation to burden businesses and wreck capital formation.

    If he were to remain in office in four more years we would not be living in a free, nor a prosperous nation any longer.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    this was your love junior bush who supported that fascism .....

    and turkey is still the only one country which cant be ****ed easily....

    study it.
    Well, the US has been pretty bad in foreign affairs in general. Look at Nicaragua and Guatemala, for instance. The war on communism wan't exactly pretty, either.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    yes ,i may have much more marxixt tendencies than obama
    Most people do. While a Marxist would never bail out a corporations, our buddy Barack's made his name on Keynesian Economics, so that a big difference in and of itself.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Most people do. While a Marxist would never bail out a corporations, our buddy Barack's made his name on Keynesian Economics, so that a big difference in and of itself.
    I can tell that you lack imagination.

    The one term Marxist flexible with our enemies president Barrack Hussein Obama used our tax dollars to enrich his friends and ensure the steady flow of campaign contributions. Follow the money laundering. Marxists are nearly always very corrupt.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I can tell that you lack imagination.

    The one term Marxist flexible with our enemies president Barrack Hussein Obama used our tax dollars to enrich his friends and ensure the steady flow of campaign contributions. Follow the money laundering. Marxists are nearly always very corrupt.

    What has the on term Marxist, flexible with out enemies, President Barack Obama, done that screams Marxism? Please tell me.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    What has the on term Marxist, flexible with out enemies, President Barack Obama, done that screams Marxism? Please tell me.
    Sigh. Have you never read any of the dozens of posts already answering this very question?

    He has done what he is able to do. He has denigrated individual achievement unless that achievement somehow furthered the state. He nationalized a sizable portion of the auto industry. he has nationalized a sizable portion of the finance industry. he has positioned the US government to take over health care, another one-0sixth of the economy. he had damaged our ability to accumulate capital through onerous, costly regulations (about one trillion in costs to businesses each year). He has dramatically increased the cost of energy. he has used the EPA to bankrupt a half dozen coal companies.

    How is that for starters?

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I can tell that you lack imagination.

    The one term Marxist flexible with our enemies president Barrack Hussein Obama used our tax dollars to enrich his friends and ensure the steady flow of campaign contributions. Follow the money laundering. Marxists are nearly always very corrupt.
    That's a very dangerous misconception. Marxists are no more corrupt than any other politician and if you have testable evidence to prove otherwise, then I welcome you to present it. I also don't know how baling out corporations equates to money laundering either, as it's calling Keynesian Economics a convictable, criminal ideology. Oh, an I have yet to see any evidence from you that the incumbent's Marxist flexible. He's a left winger, I'll give you that, but aside from potential alignment between Marxism and left wing political thought as a whole, there's really nothing to prove your theory.

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