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Thread: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    Do you mind sourcing that? You've linked a video that does not prove your statement.
    My source was the indented portion.


    Again, how do you know he could recite the prayer? Do you have proof? Video, Audio, a statement from Obama? What's your proof?
    My source was in the indented portion.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    Do you mind sourcing that? You've linked a video that does not prove your statement.
    Again, how do you know he could recite the prayer? Do you have proof? Video, Audio, a statement from Obama? What's your proof?
    Here you go: Did NY Times Memory Hole Kristof On Obama? - Riehl World News

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    Pitching in. We all need to do it. Every American.
    I am sure you will not object to first taxing those working Americans who pay no federal income taxes.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Like all modern day US presidents, the best way to describe them is "Corporate Welfare Statists" - in other words tyrannical fascist puppets.

    TO even call a US president a socialist under any context other than a "corporate welfare nanny state puppet" is totally laughable

    I doubt whether many US citizens even understand what socialism is let alone apply the title to any of their presidents

    Is this a comical thread?
    Last edited by Klown; 09-11-12 at 10:00 PM.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Now look through the other 900 pages and find where he says that the rich ought to pay for everything.

    His book explores why some nations are wealthy and others are not. His book was not about fleecing the rich. He left that task to the Democratic Party.
    Weren't you saying that Adam Smith would not favor higher taxes on the wealthy?

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I am sure you will not object to first taxing those working Americans who pay no federal income taxes.
    In 1955, the top 400 income earning Americans brought home about 13.8 million dollars per year and paid about 52% tax on that income.

    In 2007, the top 400 AMericans earned about 300 million dollars per year and paid about 18% tax.

    And remember ladies and gentlemen, the 1950s were the supposedly the Golden era of prosperity, jobs and wealth in the USA (even though there were still social problems to contend with during that time)

    So which class isnt pulling its weight in the USA?

    Can an ordinary worker in the USA set up bank accounts in offshore havens so that they can further limit their tax liabilities?

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Weren't you saying that Adam Smith would not favor higher taxes on the wealthy?
    No.

    I said that he believed there were some things the rich ought to pay for. He never made the case the rich should pay most of the taxes. It is a very large book. And I could only find one place in my copy where he made the case that the rich ought to pay more of their wealth in proportion to the poor. He did not make the case that the wealth should be fleeced.
    The rich will always pay much, much more than the poor even with a flat tax.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    What about people under the poverty line?
    Tell them to get a job.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    In 1955, the top 400 income earning Americans brought home about 13.8 million dollars per year and paid about 52% tax on that income.
    First, I do not believe you. 52% may have been the top marginal rate. The effective rate has always been lower.

    In 2007, the top 400 AMericans earned about 300 million dollars per year and paid about 18% tax.
    And this looks like an effective rate.

    And remember ladies and gentlemen, the 1950s were the supposedly the Golden era of prosperity, jobs and wealth in the USA (even though there were still social problems to contend with during that time)

    So which class isnt pulling its weight in the USA?

    Can an ordinary worker in the USA set up bank accounts in offshore havens so that they can further limit their tax liabilities?
    Go back and look at the myriad options available for sheltering wealth from the confiscatory tax rates of the 1950s. Now compare today's shelters.
    Last edited by Misterveritis; 09-11-12 at 10:29 PM.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Weren't you saying that Adam Smith would not favor higher taxes on the wealthy?
    Its common in the USA and in the west in general to selectively quote people like Adam Smith.
    If you read Smith's famous "Wealth of Nations" book, you will see that Smith is quite critical of many aspects of Corporatism. SO is Keynes for that matter. Keynes is used by free market and capitalist advocates all the time. They regularly neglect to mention that Keynes warned about how unstable and prone to collapse Capitalism and free markets are. In fact Keynes also highlighted the inherent immorality of a purely capitalist system - thats why no nation allows pure capitalism and free markets to operate within their societies (as much as you are told you live in a free market and capitalist society - you dont. The USA for example is a Corpocracy - a type of tyrannical fascist Corporatist welfare state)

    If you honestly compare the economic systems that function in the USA and China, I doubt you would find much difference, One is state controlled pseudo-capitalism and the other is Corporate controlled pseudo-capitalism. In fact there are grounds to suggest that CHina is the more capitalist system as far as the economy is concerned.

    And to link capitalism to democracy is the most successful propaganda achievement of any state in the history of humanity. Capitalism is NOT a political system - its an economic model (such as bartering or some other economic model)

    So the opposite of capitalism is not socialism as many would like to think.

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