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Thread: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    When I was a child, I was surrounded by people on drugs, failures at life, rejects, and other similar people in a very poor part of the country. For a time, my parents did drugs (all the way up until I was 21 or so, based on stories from my brother), they split up twice and got back together, my dad was abusive up until the second split up, and our home culture wasn't exactly the best as you can imagine.

    Who am I today?
    1. I am quite well off (so are my parents actually, but it came to them very late in life and I had to help them with it) and am above the top 20 percent of households (I made 8 an hour about 10 years ago for comparison) while still being in my early 30s.
    2. I still live in a poor part of the country (rural georgia)
    3. I do not do drugs, I don't even drink or smoke.
    4. My wife and I have had a very solid marriage with only one time it being so bad that we even considered not sleeping in the same bedroom
    5. My child is special needs child with autism and somehow I resist my frustration from being overwhelming enough to act out (and trust me, some days are worse than others)
    6. My kids don't even cuss and our home culture is quite good despite challenges from point 5.


    What you are growing up may or may not have anything to do with who you are as an adult, this is the perspective on which I look at your paranoia.
    If you embraced the drug culture, if your ghost-written books proclaimed to the world that you carefully sought out the drug users, the drug dealers, the enforcers and the bullies through your college years then your story would be similar to the one term Marxist's story.

    If he had not embraced the Marxist, socialist, Progressive influences, if he had not embraced radicals perhaps we would have a reasonably good president. But he did embrace the Marxists, the socialists, the Progressives, and the radicals.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The problem is once you start compromising with a group that is too far away from your own you start to give up much of your fundamental stances and as time goes on you start to notice that the country is nothing like what you want and the deals that are on the table have nothing in common with any of your stances.
    Again you summed up my thesis perfectly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    For example, if you don't want government involved in healthcare the idea its on the table is troublesome from the start and in order to compromise you have to first admit you will not stand for anything you believe in and that you are basically just going to allow them to win, but just by not as much. That simply is not good enough and not a good reason to go to the table.
    Look at this and replace "government involved in healthcare" with "private insurance companies involved in healthcare" and you're at the democrat's side of the issue. This is the team mentality. Both sides have given stuff up and feel regretful of it because the other side got the other part of their desires. Each side can say the same, that they partially gave in and this all would have been for the better if they got what they wanted fully.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by KopeAcetic View Post
    Again you summed up my thesis perfectly.

    Look at this and replace "government involved in healthcare" with "private insurance companies involved in healthcare" and you're at the democrat's side of the issue. This is the team mentality. Both sides have given stuff up and feel regretful of it because the other side got the other part of their desires. Each side can say the same, that they partially gave in and this all would have been for the better if they got what they wanted fully.
    The republicans never wanted anything and the only reason that crappy plan was ever put together was because the democrats wanted to get involved. I also don't how democrats can claim that they aren't always winning, sure they might see it as losing that didn't win in completion, but they always get more out of the deal than anyone else.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Since so many right wingers describe Obama as a "Socialist/Communist/", or some variation thereof, I figure by now they'll have made up their minds about which one of these mutually exclusive political philosophies he is.

    Remember though, as Socialist believes in sharing wealth, to many different degrees depending on which flavour they are, a Communist, on the other hand, believes in a classless, stateless society where the means of production are evenly distributed. And if he's a Marxist (as is often claimed), then he wants to attain this through violent revolution.
    Actually socialism is redistribution of wealth to promote social equality and govt control of industry. By that textbook definition, Obama is a socialist. He strongly beleives in redistribution of wealth, and govt control of all sorts of industries. No, hes not a pure socialist. Yes, Republicans and most of america are socialists too.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The republicans never wanted anything and the only reason that crappy plan was ever put together was because the democrats wanted to get involved. I also don't how democrats can claim that they aren't always winning, sure they might see it as losing that didn't win in completion, but they always get more out of the deal than anyone else.
    Ok, democrats initiated this legislation, now let's look at abortion. Democrats don't want to initiate any legislation, they want it to be free reign, and between the doctor and the patient for them to decide whatever they want. Republicans believe that this is murdering innocent lives so they want to initiate legislation to stop that. Democrats don't want any legislation, so anything that is put on the table the democrats negotiate their own current freedoms (what they believe to be...) down.

    This isn't a one issue problem, this is a general mentality problem for both sides and it's only getting worse because people have stopped believing the other side can be correct and we can work together.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Actually socialism is redistribution of wealth to promote social equality and govt control of industry. By that textbook definition, Obama is a socialist. He strongly beleives in redistribution of wealth, and govt control of all sorts of industries. No, hes not a pure socialist. Yes, Republicans and most of america are socialists too.
    The last sentence most people will never admit.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    You don't mold into who you are between 1st and 4th grade, also, he attended a Catholic school for his last two years in Indonesia, it wasn't all Islamic.
    His step-father was Indonesian. He was also a socialist. His mother was a socialist or Progressive. He was there from 1967 to 1971. You may claim tht he was not influenced by Islam but he has said the call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds.
    Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”





    I'm going to assume context clues weren't your strong point in English class. He said 'You didn't build that', meaning the roads and bridges, the internet, and infrastructure that was there before you (the businessman/women) came along.
    I am going to assume that you are an Obama supporter blind to the obvious.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    If you embraced the drug culture, if your ghost-written books proclaimed to the world that you carefully sought out the drug users, the drug dealers, the enforcers and the bullies through your college years then your story would be similar to the one term Marxist's story.

    If he had not embraced the Marxist, socialist, Progressive influences, if he had not embraced radicals perhaps we would have a reasonably good president. But he did embrace the Marxists, the socialists, the Progressives, and the radicals.
    I was careful to stick to nonaddictive drugs, but yes I have been friends with drug dealers and I have done drugs. For quite a few years, I was a part of Goth/Rivethead culture.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by KopeAcetic View Post
    Ok, democrats initiated this legislation, now let's look at abortion. Democrats don't want to initiate any legislation, they want it to be free reign, and between the doctor and the patient for them to decide whatever they want. Republicans believe that this is murdering innocent lives so they want to initiate legislation to stop that. Democrats don't want any legislation, so anything that is put on the table the democrats negotiate their own current freedoms (what they believe to be...) down.

    This isn't a one issue problem, this is a general mentality problem for both sides and it's only getting worse because people have stopped believing the other side can be correct and we can work together.
    We cant work together. Its time to split up. Why should two groups of people fundementally opposed to each other continue to fight over governence? It makes more sense for each to go form their own societies.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Where is the 'Who cares' option?

    What possible difference does it make?

    What he has (and has not) done in 3 1/2 years in office is what matters.

    He is what he is - a very interesting man and (like all of his predecessors lately - Dem and Rep) a crappy POTUS.

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