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Thread: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Really? Do you think overturning bankruptcy laws so unions could be protected while bondholders were raped is embracing capitalism?
    Do you think funneling billions of dollars into green businesses owned by supporters is not corrupt? Crony capitalism is not capitalism. It is political corruption.
    Do you believe using the NLRB to prevent Boeing from opening a plant where it wants to is embracing capitalism? Of course it isn't. It too is political corruption.
    You have three things there.

    Unions are made up of employees. Employees are not responsible for the sins of the companies. They also have contracts that are to be honored as well the way any contract is honored to best of teh ability at the time.

    As for Boeing; they weren't getting what they wanted in negotiations so they used a threat which is illegal.

    Nothing in your argument has anything to do with capitalism.
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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Wow! Someone here is ripe for the picking.
    We, like the Former Soviet Union, have a written Constitution. I am sorry we decided to stop using it.

    The one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama heads the Executive branch of the Federal government. He is a steward. He does not own us nor does he own the US. We are not his. He works for us.

    And he needs to be sent along to play with the Great Prevaricator, the impeached president, BJ "Slick Willie" Clinton.
    Good luck with that...
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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The truth is there is no possible way someone like myself can compromise with someone like Obama. Its also not in the interest any more for the republicans to comprimise as they have had to give up more and more of what they believe in over many decades of time and like always it gets to the point where you have to stop and stand your ground. Its no wonder they are there really.
    That's pretty much the point of my post, the democrats feel the same way, because their politicians are telling them that they have been doing the same. That is the exact team mentality I'm talking about, "I'm obviously not a bad person, and I believe this, the other party is on the other side so obviously they're the bad ones and I've had to give up my good ideas to give into their bad ones."

    This isn't a team sport, or at least it shouldn't be.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You have three things there.

    Unions are made up of employees. Employees are not responsible for the sins of the companies. They also have contracts that are to be honored as well the way any contract is honored to best of teh ability at the time.

    As for Boeing; they weren't getting what they wanted in negotiations so they used a threat which is illegal.

    Nothing in your argument has anything to do with capitalism.
    In other words you have nothing.

    My arguments were about corruption. Some here mistakenly believe the one term Marxist embraces capitalism. He doesn't. The actions of his administration, including the three examples above illustrate my point.

    This also shows me a great deal about you. Thanks for the insights.
    Last edited by Misterveritis; 09-09-12 at 03:51 PM.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Okay. There is no shame in your inability to connect the obvious dots. Let's move on.
    When I was a child, I was surrounded by people on drugs, failures at life, rejects, and other similar people in a very poor part of the country. For a time, my parents did drugs (all the way up until I was 21 or so, based on stories from my brother), they split up twice and got back together, my dad was abusive up until the second split up, and our home culture wasn't exactly the best as you can imagine.

    Who am I today?
    1. I am quite well off (so are my parents actually, but it came to them very late in life and I had to help them with it) and am above the top 20 percent of households (I made 8 an hour about 10 years ago for comparison) while still being in my early 30s.
    2. I still live in a poor part of the country (rural georgia)
    3. I do not do drugs, I don't even drink or smoke.
    4. My wife and I have had a very solid marriage with only one time it being so bad that we even considered not sleeping in the same bedroom
    5. My child is special needs child with autism and somehow I resist my frustration from being overwhelming enough to act out (and trust me, some days are worse than others)
    6. My kids don't even cuss and our home culture is quite good despite challenges from point 5.

    What you are growing up may or may not have anything to do with who you are as an adult, this is the perspective on which I look at your paranoia.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    In other words you have nothing.

    My arguments were about corruption. Some here mistakenly believe the one term Marxist embraces capitalism. he doesn't. The actions of his administration, including the three examples above illustrate my point.

    This also shows me a great deal about you. Thanks for the insights.
    No; you have nothing. You have anti-union sour grapes. "One term marxist" . . .

    You now have no credibility.

    Thanks for playing.
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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Good luck with that...
    Thank you. Getting out the vote will be essential. I am certain nearly all of the voting dead will vote for democrats. I am certain that all of the felons will vote for democrats. I am certain that the illegals who vote will vote for democrats. So we need to get the greatest possible numbers of real voters to the polls to vote for Romney.

    After President Romney is inaugurated we shall have to hold his feet to the fire. A Romney win will only be the beginning of a very long struggle to return us to liberty and freedom. We need to undo the mess all the way back to the first Roosevelt.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Since we are discussing Barack Obama, not Mycroft, what are you blathering about? I'm not remotely interested in your political identity.
    Oh...I see.

    So, you just picked me to spout off your opinions to...even though they don't have anything to do with anything I've said.

    Hmmm...you must get some good conversations that way, eh?
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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by KopeAcetic View Post
    That's pretty much the point of my post, the democrats feel the same way, because their politicians are telling them that they have been doing the same. That is the exact team mentality I'm talking about, "I'm obviously not a bad person, and I believe this, the other party is on the other side so obviously they're the bad ones and I've had to give up my good ideas to give into their bad ones."

    This isn't a team sport, or at least it shouldn't be.
    The problem is once you start compromising with a group that is too far away from your own you start to give up much of your fundamental stances and as time goes on you start to notice that the country is nothing like what you want and the deals that are on the table have nothing in common with any of your stances. For example, if you don't want government involved in healthcare the idea its on the table is troublesome from the start and in order to compromise you have to first admit you will not stand for anything you believe in and that you are basically just going to allow them to win, but just by not as much. That simply is not good enough and not a good reason to go to the table.

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    Re: Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    No. But spending one's formative years in an Islamic environment with a Socialist father and mother certainly influences one's path.
    You don't mold into who you are between 1st and 4th grade, also, he attended a Catholic school for his last two years in Indonesia, it wasn't all Islamic.

    Are you playing with me or are you serious?
    Answer the question.


    A recent piece of evidence is his truthful moment when he said, If you've got a business, you didn't build that.

    I'm going to assume context clues weren't your strong point in English class. He said 'You didn't build that', meaning the roads and bridges, the internet, and infrastructure that was there before you (the businessman/women) came along.

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