View Poll Results: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?


    I agree that the 5th fleet is necessary, but only a fraction of our current number of deployed troops are needed for that. And we're definitely not the only country running naval operations in the Indian Ocean.

    There is a huge joint effort among countries to protect these routes in the Indian Ocean and up the Red Sea to the Suez.

    Combined Task Force 151 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (look at all the different admirals from different countries)

    Operation Atalanta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Operation Ocean Shield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (look at the list of ships)

    Believe it or not, the US and Chinese navies are regularly working together to hunt down pirates in the Indian Ocean. So much for being enemies. Yeah, we're providing about 50% of the ships, but clearly we aren't the only players in the game.

    This also shows who the REAL threat to the global economy is in the 21st century. Not major world powers, definitely not them. Just poorly trained groups of militants from third world countries. And as we learned in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, the solution to fighting third world militants is not to come in with massive armies.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    I agree that the 5th fleet is necessary, but only a fraction of our current number of deployed troops are needed for that.
    And others are currently supporting operations in Afghanistan and elsewhere in the region. We are sending a detachment of Marines to Libya, for example, and we try to maintain that global rapid-response capability, especially in the littoral regions. In order to do that, you require forward deployed facilities, supplies, and personnel.

    And we're definitely not the only country running naval operations in the Indian Ocean.

    There is a huge joint effort among countries to protect these routes in the Indian Ocean and up the Red Sea to the Suez.

    Combined Task Force 151 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (look at all the different admirals from different countries)

    Operation Atalanta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Operation Ocean Shield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (look at the list of ships)

    Believe it or not, the US and Chinese navies are regularly working together to hunt down pirates in the Indian Ocean. So much for being enemies. Yeah, we're providing about 50% of the ships, but clearly we aren't the only players in the game.

    This also shows who the REAL threat to the global economy is in the 21st century. Not major world powers, definitely not them. Just poorly trained groups of militants from third world countries. And as we learned in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, the solution to fighting third world militants is not to come in with massive armies.
    I've actually been part of that task force, so you're not exactly telling me anything I don't know. CJTF-HOA and naval affiliates are a perfect example of what I am talking about - without a forward deployed American presence (with, it's worth pointing out, depends upon those bases in Europe for support) in that region, that effort doesn't exist, and the result is spinning instability and violence in a region that is a geopolitical choke point. You think insurance on a tanker doesn't price in to a gallon of gas?

    And no, it doesn't show who the "real" threats to the global economy in the 21st century is. It shows who we are currently authorized (sometimes) to shoot.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    And others are currently supporting operations in Afghanistan and elsewhere in the region. We are sending a detachment of Marines to Libya, for example, and we try to maintain that global rapid-response capability, especially in the littoral regions. In order to do that, you require forward deployed facilities, supplies, and personnel.



    I've actually been part of that task force, so you're not exactly telling me anything I don't know. CJTF-HOA and naval affiliates are a perfect example of what I am talking about - without a forward deployed American presence (with, it's worth pointing out, depends upon those bases in Europe for support) in that region, that effort doesn't exist, and the result is spinning instability and violence in a region that is a geopolitical choke point. You think insurance on a tanker doesn't price in to a gallon of gas?

    And no, it doesn't show who the "real" threats to the global economy in the 21st century is. It shows who we are currently authorized (sometimes) to shoot.
    Using the US military to ensure US access to foreign oil is socialism. If the free market wants the oil bad enough, they will contract private military to open trade avenues.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    This is what we preached regarding Vietnam and now Afghanistan 11 years later. You are correct, wars are fought differently today. Do you give our enemies enough credit to know that our methods have changed as well? With all of our superiority we've not been able to defeat the Taliban (at least not while we're fighting a PC war). With all of our superior firepower we were not able to defeat Ho Chi Minh's forces in 'Nam (at least not while trying to fight a PC war.) If you need any further history lessons, then you'll simply have to rely on Google as now I have become OFFICIALLY bored with this. Now it's official.
    Defeating those people or countries isn't about a lack of ability or capability, it's about foreign policy and willingness. We could easily bomb any of them into less than the Stone Age. None of the last 11 years has been a BIG war. Do you think we really pulled out the big guns for these two conflicts. If we had, we shouldn't expect to be much of a force against China or Russia. You saw no all out war going on, ever. Okay the initial part going into Baghdad in under two weeks was a tiny glimpse of what the US can do when it goes all out. But since then you've seen nothing much. It's about willingness, not lack of superiority.
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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    Using the US military to ensure US access to foreign oil is socialism. If the free market wants the oil bad enough, they will contract private military to open trade avenues.
    nope. security (whether in the form of military or the police) is actually a classic example of an issue of the commons, and thus a legitimate exercise of government power.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I say drastically remove troops from all foreign locations other than Afghanistan. Those troops can be used to guard our borders. And once Afghanistan is deemed mission completed then troops should immediately removed from Afghanistan.
    ..and which state has threatened US borders in the past?

    the reason the USA has over 1000 military bases in over 140 countries all over the world is not to protect its soveriegn borders

    its to protect its corporate tentacles

    and as we all know Corporatism is the ultimate form of fascist tyrannical slavery

    this is what the USA exports and stands for on the global stage - corporate tyranny and fascism

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    PLEASE READ BEFORE VOTING

    Right now the US military has:

    90,000+ troops in Afghanistan
    50,000+ troops in Germany
    35,000+ troops in Japan
    28,000+ troops in South Korea
    15,000+ troops in Kuwait
    10,000+ troops in Italy
    9,000+ troops in the UK
    etc.

    These troops are deployed for a variety of reasons. Most of these countries are in strategic locations (West Germany was our frontline against the Soviets), but the Cold War is long over. I think our deployments are quite excessive. In fact, I think that at least 90% of these soldiers should be brought home. I'm curious what other users think about this.


    Also the source for these numbers, from the Department of Defense itself, is here:

    http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personne...ry/hst1112.pdf

    I think America should pull out and here's why...

    1. We never should've stuck our noses in other countries business to begin with.
    2. We didn't go to those countries to MOVE IN and change their Governments. we went in, supposedly, to help the oppressed fight back the oppressors, which was stupid to begin with also, and later realize those were lies to get permission from Congress.
    3. We stepped in it, and we need to clean our shoes off.
    4. I miss my homies and homettes that are still alive.

    BUT, since America has been so involved in meddling in other countries affairs, we can't pull out. we are tied at the hip to these foolish countries that want nothing more than the collapse of America, even though we went out of our way to help them.

    Ingrates.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    nope. security (whether in the form of military or the police) is actually a classic example of an issue of the commons, and thus a legitimate exercise of government power.
    In pure capitalism, the commons doesn't exist. The commons are a socialist construct. If you acknowledge the existence and importance of the commons, then you must agree with Obama's statement that business owners did not build their businesses alone. They had access to public education of their employees and themselves (commons), access to natural resources for utilities and transportation (commons), enforcement of contracts (commons), and so on.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    Using the US military to ensure US access to foreign oil is socialism. If the free market wants the oil bad enough, they will contract private military to open trade avenues.
    what makes you think that the US military isnt already privatised?

    the US congress is!

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    what makes you think that the US military isnt already privatised?

    the US congress is!
    These organizations may be privately controlled, but they are paid for with public tax dollars.

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