View Poll Results: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    I know. I don't believe it's worth it. I don't believe the DPRK would attack even if we pulled out all of our troops from the region. It would still be a suicide move for them. NK would still be completely destroyed.
    The DPRK has the 4th largest military in the world and has China as a ally which has the largest military in the world.North Korea would not get its ass handed to them.If anything they would destroy most of the ROK military.
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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    You seem to be missing the whole point champ. Who said anything about "sacrificing" the troops (except for you)? JUST THE FACT THAT THEY ARE THERE HAS KEPT THE NORTH KOREANS AT BAY. I believe, and this is just IMHO mind you, that as long as even a US presence of 28,000 is on that border, we won't have to worry about seeing a "sacrifice" of American lives.

    Now, if we leave and NK invades in full force.......we'll be forced (through alliance) to go back over there in even greater numbers and re-fight the Korean Conflict of 1950-52. In that case we may really see some major US casualties. I'm still holding that the current policy in S Korea is the correct choice......at least for the time being.
    The premise of the post I was responding to was that NK was afraid to attack due to the presence of American troops and the probability that the US would get involved in any war between NK and SK.

    If NK knew that we'd protect our small ally, wouldn't that have the same effect?

    What would those 28,000 troops be able to do in the case of a massive invasion by NK anyway?
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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The premise of the post I was responding to was that NK was afraid to attack due to the presence of American troops and the probability that the US would get involved in any war between NK and SK.

    If NK knew that we'd protect our small ally, wouldn't that have the same effect?

    What would those 28,000 troops be able to do in the case of a massive invasion by NK anyway?
    See jamesrage's post above. He lays it out pretty well. I'm getting bored of repeating the same history lessons for you.
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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The DPRK has the 4th largest military in the world and has China as a ally which has the largest military in the world.North Korea would not get its ass handed to them.If anything they would destroy most of the ROK military.
    China is NOT North Korea's ally anymore... There is no way in hell that China would go to war with it's #1 trade partner (the US). We are way too interconnected economically. Hong Kong and Shanghai are financial hubs with every US major bank represented. These banks are providing a hell of a lot of services for Chinese companies.


    Another thing to add, South Korea is much stronger than it was in the '50s. North Korea is also much weaker. It claims to have a huge number of troops, but these are impoverished and poorly equipped peasants basically. They wouldn't stand a chance in combat. Stop trying to act like North Korea is this huge bully that could crush South Korea if it wasn't for its American guardian angel. That's just totally false.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Anyone care to venture a guess as to what may happen the instant we completely remove our military presence in South Korea.

    Also, are you implying by this poll that there are no sovereign nations who ask for/welcome a US presence within their borders?
    Then they can pay the full cost of having us there. We can't afford to give it away for free.
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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    See jamesrage's post above. He lays it out pretty well. I'm getting bored of repeating the same history lessons for you.
    Of course you are. Your "lessons" are based on nonsense, which doesn't sell very well to me.

    The USA has the most powerful military on Earth. China may have more troops, but we have superior weapons. A war between US and China would end badly for both nations. Both of us know this, and aren't about to go to war over a tinpot dictatorship like NK.

    and having or not having a few thousand troops in SK would make no difference.
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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then they can pay the full cost of having us there. We can't afford to give it away for free.
    I actually agree with this. It's only common sense. So, which President, Sect. of State, or Congressional Majority will have the balls to push for such a policy? That may be the real question we should be considering here.
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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    You know, that's kind of the whole idea behind being "ALLIES".............we support each other in spirit, in trade, and, whether you agree or not.....in national defense.
    It's funny how the only ones out there helping others in national defense is us. Apparently, being allies only goes one way.
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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    I actually agree with this. It's only common sense. So, which President, Sect. of State, or Congressional Majority will have the balls to push for such a policy? That may be the real question we should be considering here.
    We both know other countries would never pay it. We're just free defense to them. They want us there because they don't want to have to fund it themselves. If they had the money to pay us for our presence, they could just use it to fund their own military.
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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    PLEASE READ BEFORE VOTING

    Right now the US military has:

    90,000+ troops in Afghanistan
    50,000+ troops in Germany
    35,000+ troops in Japan
    28,000+ troops in South Korea
    15,000+ troops in Kuwait
    10,000+ troops in Italy
    9,000+ troops in the UK
    etc.

    These troops are deployed for a variety of reasons. Most of these countries are in strategic locations (West Germany was our frontline against the Soviets), but the Cold War is long over. I think our deployments are quite excessive. In fact, I think that at least 90% of these soldiers should be brought home. I'm curious what other users think about this.


    Also the source for these numbers, from the Department of Defense itself, is here:

    http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personne...ry/hst1112.pdf
    Well, to be fair, the reason why the U.S. has such a large global military presence is because after WW2, Western Europe was too decimated to fend off the Soviet Union, so it was up to the U.S. to do so as Europe rebuilt. And there are, indeed, many global security concerns, namely piracy, which affects global trade, as well as international and criminal organizations.

    The thing is these countries are able to spend more on social spending rather than military spending, so the U.S. is covering for them. But in this global economic recession, the U.S. can't afford to anymore.

    Which is why I would like a tariff on imports from countries who don't spend a minimum level on their military. That way the U.S. can get money from them for protecting them and their commerce shipping on the oceans. As well as protecting them from terrorists organizations.
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