View Poll Results: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Socialism is state capitalism, capitalism is communism for the rich. The false alternative of socialism followed the capitalist model of absolute and isolated power. The Socialist party members are the only stockholders in state capitalism.
    You make some excellent points in your post.

    Points which are very difficult for the citizenry to even recognise in a system that is saturated with the spin of the Corpocratic and/or State machines

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    The US government is a privately owned, closely held corporation. In order to frighten citizens demanding participation, its flunkies have even come up with the definition of democracy as "mob rule." That only shows their contempt for the excluded American people. The Republican stockholders say, "We got ours and we're not going to let you get yours," while the Democratic stockholders say, "We got ours and we're going to give yours away."
    indeed - and the US COngress was purchased without payment, and without even an official floating on the stock exchange.

    Voters = Odebient Consumerised slaves

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    This is a typical missconception - particularly in western nations such as the USA where the corporate propaganda system is very effective and widespread throught the public domain.

    Let me provide you with an example.

    the USA has a quasi Capitalist economic system that is Corporately run

    CHine also has a quasi capitalist economic system that is State run

    Both systems are centralised and protectionist economic systems that can function in quite different political domains

    Corporatism is the modern form of fascism - originating from the the same fascist totalitarian seed that Boslhevism and Nazism sprouted

    I realise it may be difficult to accept, but if you approach any politics department in the USA they will not descibe the political system in the USA with the word "capitalism". They will not even use the word democracy. Words such as Oligarchy or Corpocracy are usually used. The political system in the USA is best described as a Corporately run Oligarchy that has embedded in it political protectionism and barriers to prevent democratic forces from challenging this fascist tyrannical entity.

    I am afraid, you are not free, you are NOT a citizen, you are NOT even a voter - YOU ARE A CONSUMERISED SLAVE TO THE CORPORATE AND PRIVATE TYRANNY THAT ENSLAVES YOU

    Have you not noticed that every 4 years the casting of your so called DEMOCRATIC vote is totally worthless?
    and yet, every four years a either a new president is chosen, or an existing one gets a second term, and the deciding factor is a vote of the people.

    Definition of CORPORATISM

    : the organization of a society into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and activities within their jurisdiction
    Corporations do wield a lot of power in government, to be sure. Can we really say that we're divided into corporations that have control over the people who live in their jurisdiction? Do they have a jurisdiction at all?

    so·cial·ism

    NOUN:

    Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
    The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.
    The government does not own the means of production in this or any successful modern nation.
    "Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud... [he's] playing the American public for suckers." Mitt Romney

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and yet, every four years a either a new president is chosen, or an existing one gets a second term, and the deciding factor is a vote of the people.
    You formally ratify one of two preselected Corporately filtered puppet clowns

    If you wish to stay in the delusional world that the system is there FOR THE PEOPLE, and that the PRESIDENT does what is best FOR THE PEOPLE, then that is your choice.

    Freedom is not just about making A CHOICE, but making an informed decision with the truth laid out in front of you.

    Can you honestly say that the US Corpocracy provides you with the truth so that you can excercise that choice?

    How much does it cost for a citizen of the USA to run for COngress let alone run for the Presidency?

    Who are allowed to represent these puppet position?

    Can You>?

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    I think you are confusing pure socialism (which is a theoretical model) to a corrupted version of socialism which would occur in the real world. The same can be said for capitalism. There is no such thing as a free market (other than in theory).

    That being said, on an economic model basis, to say that socialism is state capitalism is an oxymoron.
    I wish people would quit getting their vocabulary from the ignorant hacks in the media. I'm really fed up with those dumbed-down nobodies being treated like they deserved their high positions. Oxymoron is being used in a way that is the opposite of its real meaning. When used the way it always had been before this decadent era, it was a complimentary term, a clever truth that sounds like a contradiction if taken literally, such as "boneless ribs, less is more, paid volunteers." In these dysfunctioal times, it is being misused to mean a stupid saying that sounds consistent if taken literally, but is nonsense according to the judgment of the speaker (whose knowledge of English is nonsense). For example, if someone thought firemen were lazy, he would express his judgment and confused English by saying that firefighter is an oxymoron. Before people starting to take role models for language from the ignorant media, that was called " a contradiction in terms." I also see here the silly idea that "oxymoron sounds like something moronic, so that's what it must mean."

    Don't quote me some permissive dictionary authority, which itself is a contradiction in terms and typical of the kind of irresponsible mediocrities we look up to today.
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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    You make some excellent points in your post.

    Points which are very difficult for the citizenry to even recognise in a system that is saturated with the spin of the Corpocratic and/or State machines
    They both came from the same malignant tumor of class privilege. Heirheads have the illusion that they are born to rule, so it was inevitable that anything thought up by them would turn into a party dictatorship. Ideology is a food fight at a prep school.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Don't quote me some permissive dictionary authority, which itself is a contradiction in terms and typical of the kind of irresponsible mediocrities we look up to today.
    So...you know better than a dictionary what the definition of a particular word is, huh? Interesting....then I guess it's no surprise that a term such as "state-run capitalism" would make so much sense in your mind.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    PLEASE READ BEFORE VOTING

    Right now the US military has:

    90,000+ troops in Afghanistan
    50,000+ troops in Germany
    35,000+ troops in Japan
    28,000+ troops in South Korea
    15,000+ troops in Kuwait
    10,000+ troops in Italy
    9,000+ troops in the UK
    etc.

    These troops are deployed for a variety of reasons. Most of these countries are in strategic locations (West Germany was our frontline against the Soviets), but the Cold War is long over. I think our deployments are quite excessive. In fact, I think that at least 90% of these soldiers should be brought home. I'm curious what other users think about this.


    Also the source for these numbers, from the Department of Defense itself, is here:

    http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personne...ry/hst1112.pdf
    28,000 seems low for Korea.
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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    28,000 seems low for Korea.
    Why? North Korea is a third world country, not some military superpower like some people think it is.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    We need to drastically reduce our global military presence. We have the tech to deploy quickly to wherever we need anyway, and in many areas the continued presence only ferments anti-American sentiment.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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