View Poll Results: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No it not.What is a critical aspect of conservatism is patriotism.Giving jobs to a communist country thus taking jobs away from Americans and giving a communist county more funds to build up it's military are the opposite of patriotism.
    Alright well make sure you vote Obama then, as Romney is a much bigger proponent of free trade. In fact, Obama has been limiting our trade with China by raising tariffs on certain Chinese goods (like solar panels).

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No it not.What is a critical aspect of conservatism is patriotism.Giving jobs to a communist country thus taking jobs away from Americans and giving a communist county more funds to build up it's military are the opposite of patriotism.
    In the old-world sense of Conservatism where it was linked to the Mercantile Economic system that in turn supported, Empire, The Crown, and The Church, that is correct.

    In the new-world sense of Conservatism, however, that is incorrect. The Founders were contemporaries of Smith, not Colbert.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    PLEASE READ BEFORE VOTING

    Right now the US military has:

    90,000+ troops in Afghanistan
    50,000+ troops in Germany
    35,000+ troops in Japan
    28,000+ troops in South Korea
    15,000+ troops in Kuwait
    10,000+ troops in Italy
    9,000+ troops in the UK
    etc.

    These troops are deployed for a variety of reasons. Most of these countries are in strategic locations (West Germany was our frontline against the Soviets), but the Cold War is long over. I think our deployments are quite excessive. In fact, I think that at least 90% of these soldiers should be brought home. I'm curious what other users think about this.


    Also the source for these numbers, from the Department of Defense itself, is here:

    http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personne...ry/hst1112.pdf
    I see no need to have our military presence in other countries. I would hope someday, that we get to the point where we defend our country when need be and stay out of other countries.

    Our military is crucial for our protection, but I personally do not think we need to have our 'presence' felt worldwide unless we are assisting our allies or it's during a time where the U.S. is directly involved in a conflict. I do not believe we should be the policemen of the world or that we need to have troops scattered throughout the world.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Alright well make sure you vote Obama then, as Romney is a much bigger proponent of free trade. In fact, Obama has been limiting our trade with China by raising tariffs on certain Chinese goods (like solar panels).
    I am not voting for either.I refuse to vote for liberals.
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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    Capitalism is not a political system - its an economic model.

    The opposite of socialism is not capitalism (that is a non sensical statement) - the opposite of socialism is something like fascism

    China has a capitalist economic system but it is State run and centralised. THe US model of capitalism is Corporately run which is also centralised and protectionist

    As far as the political system in the USA is concerned, it can be best described as a Corpocracy, an Oligarchical Corpocratic Welfare state catering for the Plutocrats.

    The USA is certainly NOT democratic and its internal freedoms are provisionary and illusionary to say the least
    The US government is a privately owned, closely held corporation. In order to frighten citizens demanding participation, its flunkies have even come up with the definition of democracy as "mob rule." That only shows their contempt for the excluded American people. The Republican stockholders say, "We got ours and we're not going to let you get yours," while the Democratic stockholders say, "We got ours and we're going to give yours away."
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    Socialism is an economic system, as is capitalism. They are opposites with one having no private ownership, and the other having only private ownership.
    Socialism is state capitalism, capitalism is communism for the rich. The false alternative of socialism followed the capitalist model of absolute and isolated power. The Socialist party members are the only stockholders in state capitalism.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4Horsemen View Post
    True, One major reason for this is because Americans are a greedy people. We(Americans, not me) as a whole, are never satisfied and because of this, We(America) are always ready to invade and attack other countries to satisfiy our lusts for more wealth from oil, gold, or just to de-stabilize them or whatever.

    It's a reason Muslims say "Death to America"..it's because we highjack their oil and don't care whose upset about it.

    That's their sand, so therefore, their oil. America has it's own oil, but so greedy and pompous, would prefer to atack a country that has it, to keep from breaking ground on some national Park land, citing "It's too beautiful to mess up"

    Remember the kid that would come to the playground with their new bike, but wouldn't let nobody ride it, but at the same time they wanted to ride everybody elses bike? That's America.
    Nature is not a real estate agent. To advance the prosperity of the whole world, the land should belong to those who get the most out of its resources. Use it or lose it. The oil does not belong to the Arab rabble, who never would have developed it if left to their severely limited intelligence. Their natural place is in the useless parts of the desert. Their ancestors were driven there as fugitives from civilization. As do all such feral tribes, they are natural thieves who want what others built. Our cowardice in allowing their rulers to get rich off our technology shows the lack of pride that dooms every civilization.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Nature is not a real estate agent. To advance the prosperity of the whole world, the land should belong to those who get the most out of its resources. Use it or lose it. The oil does not belong to the Arab rabble, who never would have developed it if left to their severely limited intelligence. Their natural place is in the useless parts of the desert. Their ancestors were driven there as fugitives from civilization. As do all such feral tribes, they are natural thieves who want what others built. Our cowardice in allowing their rulers to get rich off our technology shows the lack of pride that dooms every civilization.
    Hey, Arabs! You didn't build that!
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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Socialism is state capitalism, capitalism is communism for the rich. The false alternative of socialism followed the capitalist model of absolute and isolated power. The Socialist party members are the only stockholders in state capitalism.
    I think you are confusing pure socialism (which is a theoretical model) to a corrupted version of socialism which would occur in the real world. The same can be said for capitalism. There is no such thing as a free market (other than in theory).

    That being said, on an economic model basis, to say that socialism is state capitalism is an oxymoron.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    Socialism is an economic system, as is capitalism. They are opposites with one having no private ownership, and the other having only private ownership.
    This is a typical missconception - particularly in western nations such as the USA where the corporate propaganda system is very effective and widespread throught the public domain.

    Let me provide you with an example.

    the USA has a quasi Capitalist economic system that is Corporately run

    CHine also has a quasi capitalist economic system that is State run

    Both systems are centralised and protectionist economic systems that can function in quite different political domains

    Corporatism is the modern form of fascism - originating from the the same fascist totalitarian seed that Boslhevism and Nazism sprouted

    I realise it may be difficult to accept, but if you approach any politics department in the USA they will not descibe the political system in the USA with the word "capitalism". They will not even use the word democracy. Words such as Oligarchy or Corpocracy are usually used. The political system in the USA is best described as a Corporately run Oligarchy that has embedded in it political protectionism and barriers to prevent democratic forces from challenging this fascist tyrannical entity.

    I am afraid, you are not free, you are NOT a citizen, you are NOT even a voter - YOU ARE A CONSUMERISED SLAVE TO THE CORPORATE AND PRIVATE TYRANNY THAT ENSLAVES YOU

    Have you not noticed that every 4 years the casting of your so called DEMOCRATIC vote is totally worthless?

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