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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post




    Okay, this is bull**** as well. International trade is a huge benefit for the average US consumer. Why? Because of something called comparative advantages. If you ever take a semester course on intro level economics, you'll definitely cover comparative advantage. It's better if we import certain goods, because if we made them ourselves we'd be using resources that we could otherwise put to better use. If we didn't trade with other countries the way we do now, many goods would cost a lot more. People wouldn't be able to afford to buy as much stuff. And that's what we all want, right? To buy more stuff? For most people (90%+) the answer is yes.
    Selfish bargain-hunting for imports may be good for unpatriotic individuals, but it puts Americans out of work and sends money out of the country that should be circulating at home. We were doing fine before the free traders sold out the country.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Almost every post I see you make is just ad hominem after ad hominem.
    If you expect to be taken serious then you should leave out your conspiracy theories. Going but thems e-vile richy rich capitalists blah blah means people should not take take you seriously and you belong with the truffers,birther, and other conspiracy cooks.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Yes pull out of just about every country right away except Afghanistan and South Korea. Slowly remove troops within a year in Afghanistan, and slowly remove South Korea and train South Korea to take care of their own problems.


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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Explain to me why we need our current number of troops in Germany, UK, and Italy in order to maintain the 5th fleet in the Indian Ocean/Red Sea.
    Italy and Spain (you didn't have that on your list as I recall, but it is there too) are rest/refit/resupply points for ships in transit from our East Coast naval bases (such as Norfolk) to the 5th Fleet. You take away Italy and Spain and you have cut the 5th Fleet off from its' supply chain. In addition, those bases along with the ones in Germany and our troops in the UK allow for us to project force into the Mediterranean, most especially along the North African coast, where Al Qaeda and affiliates maintain a heavy presence. Germany does less (as I understand it) to directly support the 5th Fleet, and is used mostly as force support for our land based forces in the CENTCOM AO. I had a number of buddies get evacuated there, most of our supplies came through there, and most of our flights either land to refit/refuel/load new pilots/off load the unit for a couple of days in Germany or in Ireland (though we don't offload there, we just get stupid drunk and then get back on the plane ).

    As we pull out of Afghanistan could we reduce our presence in Germany? Probably - and in an era of belt tightening, we probably will. Budget cuts hit the DoD first, after all. But the idea that we can either fully or even drastically reduce our presence in that region without dramatically increasing instability with resultant economic crisis (Europe is in trouble enough already, she doesn't need her energy supply threatened further) is dangerous wishful-thinking.

    Mind you, I wish we could. That is how the world should work. But confusing how the world should work and how it does work is not a luxury we can afford.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    There is no "Completely remove all troops from foreign locations" option.
    Then go with 'drastically'.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Selfish bargain-hunting for imports may be good for unpatriotic individuals, but it puts Americans out of work and sends money out of the country that should be circulating at home. We were doing fine before the free traders sold out the country.
    Wow, that's not true AT ALL. Please study introductory level economics and get back to me. Trade makes everyone better off because of comparative advantages. And it's not like people need to "bargain hunt" to buy imported goods, just go to any store within 20 miles of your house and the odds are a lot of that stuff was imported.



    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you expect to be taken serious then you should leave out your conspiracy theories. Going but thems e-vile richy rich capitalists blah blah means people should not take take you seriously and you belong with the truffers,birther, and other conspiracy cooks.

    Given that I've been defending free trade this whole time, I don't know how far up your ass you had to reach to pull that one out.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4Horsemen View Post
    That's not the question I asked you. I already knew they were after the Oil, I told YOU that.

    but YOU SAID this:




    So how did you go from saying ^this

    to saying this....




    Confused much?

    I ask you again, Do you have ANY facts to prove that the Afghan pipeline is barely being pumped?

    I don't know anything about a pipeline, but given that foreign pumping of oil didn't start until 2011 (according to the second article I linked above), yes I think that barely any oil is being pumped in Afghanistan.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post

    Given that I've been defending free trade this whole time
    I am against free trade,I am however for fair trade.




    I don't know how far up your ass you had to reach to pull that one out.
    My post was to comment on Klown's post and criticism of me using a ad hominem.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060904362
    Last edited by jamesrage; 09-13-12 at 08:18 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am against free trade,I am however for fair trade.





    My post was to comment on Klown's post and criticism of me using a ad hominem.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060904362

    Really? I think you should change your leaning to socialist then. Free trade is a critical aspect of the conservative ideology.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Really? I think you should change your leaning to socialist then. Free trade is a critical aspect of the conservative ideology.
    No it not.What is a critical aspect of conservatism is patriotism.Giving jobs to a communist country thus taking jobs away from Americans and giving a communist county more funds to build up it's military are the opposite of patriotism.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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