View Poll Results: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    In pure capitalism, the commons doesn't exist. The commons are a socialist construct. If you acknowledge the existence and importance of the commons, then you must agree with Obama's statement that business owners did not build their businesses alone. They had access to public education of their employees and themselves (commons), access to natural resources for utilities and transportation (commons), enforcement of contracts (commons), and so on.
    Capitalism is not a political system - its an economic model.

    The opposite of socialism is not capitalism (that is a non sensical statement) - the opposite of socialism is something like fascism

    China has a capitalist economic system but it is State run and centralised. THe US model of capitalism is Corporately run which is also centralised and protectionist

    As far as the political system in the USA is concerned, it can be best described as a Corpocracy, an Oligarchical Corpocratic Welfare state catering for the Plutocrats.

    The USA is certainly NOT democratic and its internal freedoms are provisionary and illusionary to say the least

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    These organizations may be privately controlled, but they are paid for with public tax dollars.
    very true!

    However the US congress is also paid for - and not by who you might think

    You are not seriously suggesting that the USA is a democracy are you?

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    Capitalism is not a political system - its an economic model.

    The opposite of socialism is not capitalism (that is a non sensical statement) - the opposite of socialism is something like fascism
    Socialism is an economic system, as is capitalism. They are opposites with one having no private ownership, and the other having only private ownership.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    very true!

    However the US congress is also paid for - and not by who you might think

    You are not seriously suggesting that the USA is a democracy are you?
    I am suggesting that the US is a corrupted democracy. We look like a democracy, but we are not

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    what makes you think that the US military isnt already privatised?

    the US congress is!
    I agree. it's 85% privitized already with Contract mercenaries like Blackwater, etc..

    and the Congress was bought and paid for a long time ago with the blood of JFK.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    Socialism is an economic system, as is capitalism. They are opposites with one having no private ownership, and the other having only private ownership.
    and successful economic systems are a mixture of the two, with mostly private control of the means of production but government oversight and regulation.
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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Originally Posted by JRog
    These organizations may be privately controlled, but they are paid for with public tax dollars.

    Obama doesn't care about that. YES WE CAN.. use taxpayer money to fund PRIVATE MERCENARIES.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and successful economic systems are a mixture of the two, with mostly private control of the means of production but government oversight and regulation.
    I agree. I think too much of either is a bad thing. For me, the role of government should be to ensure access to the commons in order to "promote the general welfare". The government's first and foremost role should be to look out for the best interests of its people. It's doing a decent job of ensuring access to trade routes (albeit at a very inefficient cost), but is failing miserably at ensuring access to domestic commons like education and healthcare. Failu

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    Socialism is an economic system, as is capitalism. They are opposites with one having no private ownership, and the other having only private ownership.
    You can argue the point that economic systems infiltrate the political sphere, but capitalism in the end just another economic system - just like the bartering system.

    This is why you have capitalism in China and in the USA. One is state run and the other is corporately run - both are not based upon free markets and both require protectionism and subsidies to exist.

    What has happened in countries such as the USA is that the propaganda system is so extensive and invasive upon the general citizenry that they actually believe corporate capitalism is a natural by product of the democratic process, when in fact Corporatism in the USA is a fascist arm that facilitates a tyrannical slave system.

    A good example is the appauling quality of health care in the USA (ranked 47th in the world) even though the per capita spending on health care in the USA is the highest on the planet.

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    Re: Should the US reduce its global military presence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    You can argue the point that economic systems infiltrate the political sphere, but capitalism in the end just another economic system - just like the bartering system.

    This is why you have capitalism in China and in the USA. One is state run and the other is corporately run - both are not based upon free markets and both require protectionism and subsidies to exist.

    What has happened in countries such as the USA is that the propaganda system is so extensive and invasive upon the general citizenry that they actually believe corporate capitalism is a natural by product of the democratic process, when in fact Corporatism in the USA is a fascist arm that facilitates a tyrannical slave system.

    A good example is the appauling quality of health care in the USA (ranked 47th in the world) even though the per capita spending on health care in the USA is the highest on the planet.
    An economy in which a state owns the means of production is a socialist economy. Just because one economy is socialist and another is capitlaist doesn't mean they cannot interact. China has a mostly socialist economy, which takes advantage of other countries' mixed markets.

    I will drop the debate over semantics, though.

    Also, I agree with your latter points. Unfetterd capitalism is also destructive since wealth pools over time barring any kind of regulation to prevent pooling.

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