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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Sure, there are problems with our culture, but that's no reason to go back to hunting lions and buffalo with a pointy stick!
    I agree, but my understanding of the op (and I could be wrong) is the question of whether or not we're better off mentally, psychologically, physically, etc. I personally think we're worse off in most aspects, because we have become good enough at problem-solving the big stuff, that we are collectively bored and neurotic. We don't have the things to keep our minds and bodies occupied that we once had, and there's a trade-off. I don't want to kill animals with wood sticks, but I think it's psycholocially healthy to kill our food with guns or fish hooks, and grow our vegetable and fruit intake. It keeps you more in touch with the real value of living and who you really are (not you personally, but you all-of-us).
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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    Silly question, of course we're better off. While the cave man may have eaten healthier foods and lived in a cleaner environment; life was short, when he shared the planet with the likes of the Saber Toothed Tiger, etc.
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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I agree, but my understanding of the op (and I could be wrong) is the question of whether or not we're better off mentally, psychologically, physically, etc. I personally think we're worse off in most aspects, because we have become good enough at problem-solving the big stuff, that we are collectively bored and neurotic. We don't have the things to keep our minds and bodies occupied that we once had, and there's a trade-off. I don't want to kill animals with wood sticks, but I think it's psycholocially healthy to kill our food with guns or fish hooks, and grow our vegetable and fruit intake. It keeps you more in touch with the real value of living and who you really are (not you personally, but you all-of-us).

    Well, you probably have a point there. My son and I hunt and fish, and I used to keep a bit of a garden and some livestock. I've always thought that was important, having that connection to the land... but then again, I'm a country boy so we tend to take that stuff kinda for granted. I have to actually stop and THINK to remember that there are city and suburban dwellers who have never baited a hook or butchered a deer or a chicken and cleaned and cooked and ate same....for whom the notion that the New York Strip they bought in the clean plastic-wrapped package once mooed and ate grass and shat on the same grass would be a revelation.


    IMHO there are far easier ways to get in touch with the land than to go all the way back to Stone Age hunter-gatherers though.

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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post

    IMHO there are far easier ways to get in touch with the land than to go all the way back to Stone Age hunter-gatherers though.
    Thus my point about guns and hooks.
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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Since our whole economy is built on people spending more than they earn, we aren't better off than many generations before us. I agree with much of what you've said.

    I helped people buy homes 50 miles from work because that's where they could afford their first home -- a McMansion. That they couldn't afford to furnish. Single couples buying homes in the sticks for bragging rights. Driving 2-1/2 hours to/from work every day. Bought 'em w/no money down because they wanted instant gratification. "I want to live in a better home than my parents," they said. If one of them lost their job? They were on the verge of being homeless...first paycheck missed.

    Have kids?? Yep. And thirty days later, mom's back at work leaving their child in the hands of strangers so she can get right back on the job to try to save "the wonderful lifestyle" they've created for themselves.

    I've watched couples get married with a combined student loan debt of $40,000. Nice way to start out a marriage, yes? Both of them with car payments. And the McMansion besides.

    We've been sold a bill of goods about what constitutes happiness in this country, and I'm afraid there's no going back.
    You are absolutely right, I'm afraid. I think the scariest part is the no-going-back and the bragging-rights. This proves that money is as effective of a mind control as religions. I wonder, that after what you have seen, is that a reasonable speculation, that all those people who are the "victims" of these situations, made themselves into victims by thinking that they would never be able to earn enough to match their parents' lifestyle, so they opted for the short-term flash of it to get one day of show-off before they return to their steady declines?

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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Holy cow this thread is based on a premise that is laughable. Alright, pre-history refers to a time before the written record, and coincidentally, free from all of the things that would make the author feel comfortable. Let's see how our OP likes to die off from something we can put an end to right now, free from the ability to find food so easily, to feel warm almost whenever he wants to, finding a means to get cool when it is scathing hot, and so on and so forth.
    So how many minutes of peace of mind buys a minute of air-conditioned dining?

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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    So how many minutes of peace of mind buys a minute of air-conditioned dining?
    This almost sounds like I'm listening to Christopher McCandless talk to me about Thoreau. Our 20th-21st century lives come at a cost, but there's very little to romanticize about ancient life or even pre-modern life. There was no such thing as "peace of mind" like you think of it. You're looking at your modern life as a burden, without any of the realities involved in a historically isolated period of time. You look at it like a vacation, but it's not. It had its own struggles, and most of those struggles are unbelievably harsher in comparison to our own.
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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Look up the Yanomamo, also called the Yanomami. Primitive tribes in SAm jungles. Lots of warfare, feuds, murder, rapes, etc.


    Primitive does not equal virtuous.
    But, isn't that still unchanged in modern society, where most are one paycheque away from homelessness, and then some street gang can rape them anyways? Civilization has not purchased our freedom from those primitive deeds.

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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    You are absolutely right, I'm afraid. I think the scariest part is the no-going-back and the bragging-rights. This proves that money is as effective of a mind control as religions. I wonder, that after what you have seen, is that a reasonable speculation, that all those people who are the "victims" of these situations, made themselves into victims by thinking that they would never be able to earn enough to match their parents' lifestyle, so they opted for the short-term flash of it to get one day of show-off before they return to their steady declines?
    I don't know that I'd agree with that. I think it comes from wanting to live the good life at all costs. I'll never forget the first time I went into a Starbuck's with clients like these. It cost $10 for the three of us. I was appropriately (or not) shocked at the cost of "coffee." Ha! Anyhow, these two bought Starbucks every single morning on the way to work. That's like $150 a month for freakin' coffee! Beautiful mani's/pedi's. Salon every three weeks. Where my generation lived frugally for 3-4 years after marriage, young people today (at least the ones I served) don't know the meaning of the word frugal. I feel/felt very sorry for them. I'll wager that 50% of those kids lost their homes. And you couldn't steer them away. Some of them put their homes up for sale a year or two after they bought them. 'Cause they found out they had no one to show their trophy homes to -- their friends wouldn't drive out that far. Sad.
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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie1 View Post
    Silly question, of course we're better off. While the cave man may have eaten healthier foods and lived in a cleaner environment; life was short, when he shared the planet with the likes of the Saber Toothed Tiger, etc.
    What if we hypothesize that dying in an animal attack is less stressful than dying after knowing that the other street gang had the price on our heads for a few months. And what is the benefit of a long life, more geriatric pain and more lost competition? It would be interesting to understand what keeps people going despite aging. This was naturally taken care of in prehistoric times when you stopped being a fast enough runner to escape up the nearest tree. Today, do we just have to battle with our own fears? If yes, then today is more scary, I propose.

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