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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    But, isn't that still unchanged in modern society, where most are one paycheque away from homelessness, and then some street gang can rape them anyways? Civilization has not purchased our freedom from those primitive deeds.

    But most people are NOT homeless, and most people have NOT been raped by a streetgang. Perhaps you are spending too much time fretting over things that are really rather unlikely?



    Men have not magically become angels, no. However, to pretend that nothing has changed for the better is nonsense.

    Do some research into the Rennaisance. We have no conception of the daily threat of violence many people lived under in those days: vicious crime, oppressive rulers who could have you tortured on a whim, marauding bandits and mercenaries, the threat of war hanging over them every day, the perils of being conquered (pillage, rape and plunder were once great sports for the military), the joys of annual plagues and so on.

    In my studies about Elizabethan London, I learned that it was considered a mortal peril to try to travel in London much after dark. Persons of property who did so, did it with armed servants holding lit-match Arquebuses and lanterns on poles, and kept their swords and bucklers handy. Some scholars believe that many Rennaisance-era cities had more street crime and violence than any modern megapolis.


    I think you need to study a bit about primitive tribes from a more neutral and scholarly source. As I've said they were not, for the most part, angelic innocents. I'm part Native American and in the time I spent studying that part of my cultural heritage it became clear that "the Noble Savage" was largely myth. Further studies about Amazon and African tribes confirmed this thesis.

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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, you probably have a point there. My son and I hunt and fish, and I used to keep a bit of a garden and some livestock. I've always thought that was important, having that connection to the land... but then again, I'm a country boy so we tend to take that stuff kinda for granted. I have to actually stop and THINK to remember that there are city and suburban dwellers who have never baited a hook or butchered a deer or a chicken and cleaned and cooked and ate same....for whom the notion that the New York Strip they bought in the clean plastic-wrapped package once mooed and ate grass and shat on the same grass would be a revelation.


    IMHO there are far easier ways to get in touch with the land than to go all the way back to Stone Age hunter-gatherers though.
    But you ignore the social aspects of it.

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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

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    What if we hypothesize that dying in an animal attack is less stressful than dying after knowing that the other street gang had the price on our heads for a few months. And what is the benefit of a long life, more geriatric pain and more lost competition? It would be interesting to understand what keeps people going despite aging. This was naturally taken care of in prehistoric times when you stopped being a fast enough runner to escape up the nearest tree. Today, do we just have to battle with our own fears? If yes, then today is more scary, I propose.


    Do you know many people who have ACTUALLY had a street gang put a price on their head? I doubt it... so why carry on about it so much?



    This isn't a huge worry where I live, because we tend to shoot people who act like that around here.

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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    But you ignore the social aspects of it.

    Fine. Fill me in on these wonderful social aspects I'm missing.

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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    This almost sounds like I'm listening to Christopher McCandless talk to me about Thoreau. Our 20th-21st century lives come at a cost, but there's very little to romanticize about ancient life or even pre-modern life. There was no such thing as "peace of mind" like you think of it. You're looking at your modern life as a burden, without any of the realities involved in a historically isolated period of time. You look at it like a vacation, but it's not. It had its own struggles, and most of those struggles are unbelievably harsher in comparison to our own.
    I think that this logic works if we expect that today's social norms apply to the prehistoric life. For example, short life is not acceptable today, like long work hours would have been prohibitively exhausting in prehistoric days.

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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't know that I'd agree with that. I think it comes from wanting to live the good life at all costs. I'll never forget the first time I went into a Starbuck's with clients like these. It cost $10 for the three of us. I was appropriately (or not) shocked at the cost of "coffee." Ha! Anyhow, these two bought Starbucks every single morning on the way to work. That's like $150 a month for freakin' coffee! Beautiful mani's/pedi's. Salon every three weeks. Where my generation lived frugally for 3-4 years after marriage, young people today (at least the ones I served) don't know the meaning of the word frugal. I feel/felt very sorry for them. I'll wager that 50% of those kids lost their homes. And you couldn't steer them away. Some of them put their homes up for sale a year or two after they bought them. 'Cause they found out they had no one to show their trophy homes to -- their friends wouldn't drive out that far. Sad.
    Wow. Now this is sooo informative. I think then that we live in an extreme status-call environment. I dare to speculate, that in the modern world, the "free" credit manipulations, thanks to globalization, have for the first time generated enough false opportunities that we see such level of mass stupidity. Can it be that even if I am frugal, I still must fall into this trap, because my social status would decrease my otherwise regular opportunities if I don't. Can we call this a social status inflation?

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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    Uh...Rock Band???

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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    With other forty year olds of course!!!



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    I'm 41...my wife is 27 (nearly 28).

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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    I keep seeing this pop up, but why the assumption that in prehistoric time they worked short hours? What are we defining work as? Only the time spent hunting/gathering? All else is leisure?

    I would imagine most of the evening were spent doing activities such as knapping a spear point, or weaving baskets, cooking food, making clothes. Would this not count as part of their work load? What about going out on a hunt and staying out for days at a time?

    Choosing to work a full work week so that one can afford cable TV and go out to the movies, and take an occasional vacation and so on is a bit different than HAVING to work for you and your clans very survival. What we define as "work" for most people is easy-peasy compared to subsistence living.

    Now if it were a 40+ hour work week digging a ditch, or doing construction, or other hard labor something, then I might be more apt to say its a viable comparison, but a "laborious" week of sitting in front of a computer and talking on a phone? that's no worse then having to spend every evening whittling spear shafts and knapping stones for your next hunt.. with the added bonus of not having a hunt that you must go on.
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    Re: Are we better off than the prehistoric man?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    I'm 41...my wife is 27 (nearly 28).

    Theory shot down.


    There are exceptions to every rule.

    A few years ago I let a 22yo convince me to go out with her. Didn't last long, she was unsurprisingly rather shallow.

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