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Thread: 2012 - Election Lying

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    2012 - Election Lying

    In today's election, politicians have more to gain than lose from lying.

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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    The public is stupid, which is really sad since we live in the information age. So yes lying can be rather helpful.
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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The public is stupid, which is really sad since we live in the information age. So yes lying can be rather helpful.
    What really worries me about this is not only are people able to easily fact check, but that they have such an aversion to media that doesn't confirm to their viewpoints regardless of where it came from. That essentially removes our capacity as a society to actually learn objective facts. And the worst debaters here are those who do not operate from a position of base facts. Imagine society doing that. Canada anyone?
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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The public is stupid, which is really sad since we live in the information age. So yes lying can be rather helpful.
    Even intelligent people on both sides with tons of information available to them can't decide on what the truth is. This is heavily evidenced on this board (excepting the hacks). Not much chance for the average drive by political follower.
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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    Wrote not sure.
    It depends on the lie, if it is too outrageous it will hurt.
    If it is pure policy it will hurt in the long run, In the sense that they will be proven to have lied when they get into office, depending on the importance of the lie to voters it will affect them more or less. If it is small most will forget and of course they will blame their inability to come through on their policy on their predecessors.

    If it is pure rhetoric, Ie I will create 10 million jobs in my first term, it can help. Though if they get too outrageous it will hurt. Something like "I have seen the written pact my opponent has with the devil to enslave your souls", will probably come back and bite them in the arse.
    Most politicians lie about their opponent as it is hard to "prove" that you are lying about them. Usually to demonize them.
    Many lie about themselves/their past to make them look more accomplished/sympathetic/competant. Sympathetically you could call this more stretching the truth is most cases.
    Most politicians lie about their plans as they can only hope to do what they want and never fully KNOW if their policies will work, they (usually/hopefully) believe that they will.

    basically politicians lie always have always will, soemtimes it helps sometimes it hurts depending on the circumstances.
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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    "Obama is socialist/communist" seems to be a pretty effective lie.

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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    In any election, telling the truth is more likely to make you marginalized rather than liked.
    No a lot of average people, like the truth.
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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    Even intelligent people on both sides with tons of information available to them can't decide on what the truth is. This is heavily evidenced on this board (excepting the hacks). Not much chance for the average drive by political follower.
































    The internet, twiitter, facebook etc. has put out so much info that most people don't know what to believe. You now have to be a researcher to find out what is true. Because of that alot of people just believe what they see and hear. A real downside to the information highway IMO.

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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    it depends on the lie.

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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    I'd have to say depends on the lie, if it's clever wording you can get away with it. If it's an outrageous and stupid and you get caught with your pants down maybe not.

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