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Thread: 2012 - Election Lying

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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    What do they have to lose? When caught lying a politician can simply feign ignorance and the general public will usually bite or he/she can just come clean, apologize, and cry on camera for all to see.......in which case his/her original supporters will cheer their "honesty" and their poll ratings will generally go up. The uninformed masses simply foam at the mouth over such drama.
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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    It depends on which party they're from. One party can expect the MSM to cover for them and the other party can expect the opposite.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    One politician can only lie as he has nothing else.
    Since when did Ryan, Romney and Obama merge into a single person?

    He can try to smear Romney but the one term Marxist flexible president really cannot tell the truth. Can he?
    Stop defining Marxist as anything you dislike.
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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Misterveritis got you. The topic was lying as part of a political campaign in general and how well does it work. And you were just bagged by one who lives in lies.
    Misterveritis is not lying. Misterveritis defines words as he so pleases with no regards for their actual definitions. To lie, you must know what you pass as the truth is wrong. Misterveritis does not lie because what he says he believes to be true. The core problem with his ideology is that is has no respect, regard or basis in actual facts.

    He defines a President who has centralized power and wealth in the elites as a Marxist. He defines a president who committed the country to saving the backbone of a capitalist economy as a Marxist. By his definition, if we applied it consistently makes essentially every President of a capitalist country a Marxist. And if properly apply his definition, presidents who actively move to decentralize power and wealth in a country, (which is far more Marxist then his definition), they are not Marxists. Insane no?
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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    I think that this endless lying is a big mistake and if a politician stuck to the truth only, they would be revered instead of despised by at least half the population.

    By the time they get elected, its pretty hard to respect them.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    In today's election, politicians have more to gain than lose from lying.

    Agree/Disagree?

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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Do you agree that the young Obama grew up surrounded by Marxists, Communists, socialists, and progressives?

    Do you agree that no one can change their beliefs ever?


    Do you agree that "spreading the wealth around" was something he said we should do? Do you agree that Obama has said the wealthy should pay more because they can? How is that any different from what Radical Karl wanted?
    Do you even know who Karl Marx is? Marx wanted the end of the state and a society run by a democracy of the worker. There IS NO PERSONAL WEALTH in a Marxist organization. You cannot spread the wealth around because the wealth is entirely communal. Jesus, you talk about Marxism but you demonstrate you have no actual understanding of what Marx actually wrote. And in a Marxist organization, taxes are 100%. Everyone gives everything they make to the society which is then doled back out based on need. Obama deliberately trying to have the middle class pay no more taxes is nowhere in line with what Marx wrote.

    Really, stop defining words as you so please.
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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I think that this endless lying is a big mistake and if a politician stuck to the truth only, they would be revered instead of despised by at least half the population.

    By the time they get elected, its pretty hard to respect them.
    Revered doesn't mean elected. Johnson, Paul and Huntsman told the truth in the GOP nomination. Only Paul fanatical base kept him in the picture. The GOP swiftly moved to eliminate the other two truth tellers. Look at the who was leading the GOP nomination process: The Biggest Liars. Granted, Romney isn't that bad when it comes to lies. He's got some really inexcusable ones, but compared to Bachmann, he's pretty honest. But Ryan, Jesus, barely anything that man has said is truthful. At least in the GOP, you more you lie the more your star shines. No one in the GOP really likes Romney and he's a middle of the road liar compared to the other GOP candidates.
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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    Maybe, maybe not. We'll never know. Both of the major parties rely on lies, distortions, exaggerations, deceptions and false promises. This applies equally to both parties. I will accordingly vote for Johnson. I know he can never win but I want the winner from the Repuliucrats to feel as little mandate as possible.


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    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Revered doesn't mean elected. Johnson, Paul and Huntsman told the truth in the GOP nomination. Only Paul fanatical base kept him in the picture. The GOP swiftly moved to eliminate the other two truth tellers. Look at the who was leading the GOP nomination process: The Biggest Liars. Granted, Romney isn't that bad when it comes to lies. He's got some really inexcusable ones, but compared to Bachmann, he's pretty honest. But Ryan, Jesus, barely anything that man has said is truthful. At least in the GOP, you more you lie the more your star shines. No one in the GOP really likes Romney and he's a middle of the road liar compared to the other GOP candidates.

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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Maybe, maybe not. We'll never know.
    Well we do know. All three were saying the truth. Huntsman on actual science. Paul on the need for defense cuts, and Johnson on pretty much everything. Huntsman and Johnson got nowhere. The more you tell the truth, the less the Republican party wants you.

    Both of the major parties rely on lies, distortions, exaggerations, deceptions and false promises. This applies equally to both parties. I will accordingly vote for Johnson. I know he can never win but I want the winner from the Repuliucrats to feel as little mandate as possible.
    Not sure about that. Seems in this election the GOP is running away with the lies far more than the Democrats. Did the Dems make some doozies? Absolutely. The whole "Romney killed my wife" was total bull****. But the recent arguments coming out of the GOP are insane.

    Ryan's whole "Obama shows weakness" essentially ignores that the 8 years before Obama we invading and occupied two countries and we saw hundreds of terror attacks. So much for showing strength so we don't get tested. Hello? It's as if they are literally making up history as they go along. I think the only reason this **** flies is because most Americans have short memories.


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    Re: 2012 - Election Lying

    There have been plenty of lies from both parties. To say that Obama is less of a liar than Romney isn't much of a compliment and certainly not the basis for a vote. Either you're HONEST or a LIAR, you can't be both and just use "degrees" as your decision point.

    Neither of these men deserve my vote.





    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Well we do know. All three were saying the truth. Huntsman on actual science. Paul on the need for defense cuts, and Johnson on pretty much everything. Huntsman and Johnson got nowhere. The more you tell the truth, the less the Republican party wants you.



    Not sure about that. Seems in this election the GOP is running away with the lies far more than the Democrats. Did the Dems make some doozies? Absolutely. The whole "Romney killed my wife" was total bull****. But the recent arguments coming out of the GOP are insane.

    Ryan's whole "Obama shows weakness" essentially ignores that the 8 years before Obama we invading and occupied two countries and we saw hundreds of terror attacks. So much for showing strength so we don't get tested. Hello? It's as if they are literally making up history as they go along. I think the only reason this **** flies is because most Americans have short memories.


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