View Poll Results: Should companies be allowed to collect and sell personal data of private individuals?

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  • Only if they get consent from the individual without coercion.

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Thread: Should companies be allowed to collect and sell personal data of private individuals?

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    Re: Should companies be allowed to collect and sell personal data of private individu

    No, they should not. I'm sick of being bombarded by junk mail, solicitation phone calls, spam e-mail every time one of us has a "special" birthday, purchases a certain item, or calls to ask about information on insurance, potential purchases, or buys something from a website.

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    Re: Should companies be allowed to collect and sell personal data of private individu

    No, under any circumstance.

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    Re: Should companies be allowed to collect and sell personal data of private individu

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I think companies should be required to get permission from an individual before collecting and storing their personal data, and with a few exceptions, they should not be able to pull crap like "You can't use this service unless you allow us to collect your personal information". I also think it should be illegal for companies to sell that data to 3rd parties without permission of the individual in question as well.
    ...and if they do sell it, I should get a cut.
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    Re: Should companies be allowed to collect and sell personal data of private individu

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    ...and if they do sell it, I should get a cut.
    Well, that can definitely be part of the negotiation between you and the company before you give them your permission.
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    Re: Should companies be allowed to collect and sell personal data of private individu

    Personally, what frequently results to consent is practically wrapped up in a long EULA that can frequently change at the whim of the company, and as such the customer is unaware.
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    Re: Should companies be allowed to collect and sell personal data of private individu

    Notice and consent policies are pretty meaningless. For example, by viewing this post right now, you are technically consenting to something on the order of 15,000 pages of terms and conditions. Snippets of code that are incorporated into some driver that you didn't even know you installed come with terms and conditions that you are agreeing to by using a computer that has the driver installed. Those terms might be in a text file somewhere on your system, but more likely, you would need to go to the website of the company that made the driver to see what you agreed to. It is a ridiculous fiction designed to make it sound like what they are doing is acceptable- hey, they consented to it... But, even if you spent the say 3 months it would take to find all the terms and conditions you're agreeing to just by powering up your computer, it still wouldn't help you. They don't make sense to a layman. They are crammed full of words that have legal impacts that don't align with what the word actually means. For example, maybe some court decision 5 years ago said that companies can do such and such a thing to their customers, but only if the customers use the product in a "sustained manner" or something, so then the company will put a line in the terms saying "I agree that my use of this product is sustained". That would mean nothing to the reader, but could actually turn out to mean that you're agreeing to let them sell your data or who knows what. It would require a lawyer months more to pour through those 15,000 pages to tell you what they mean.

    And, ultimately, you don't really have any choice but to accept them if you want to be a part of modern society. The companies know that of course, so they put every ridiculous thing they can think of in there. Clauses saying that if a dispute comes up, you waive the right to sue them and that instead you need to submit to arbitration from a particular arbitration service, but it turns out that the arbitration service they named is owned by their parent company and has never resolved any dispute against itself. Just by sending somebody a file using gmail, you are technically agreeing that google OWNS that file. So, if your girlfriend emails you a naked picture, theoretically, google would have full rights to sell it to playboy the next day. Just by doing a search on google, you are agreeing that they can collect any information about you they want, track it however they want, and give it to whoever they want, and that the people they give it to are not bound by any restrictions. It's nuts.

    Luckily, courts are slowly catching on more and more and are starting to ignore terms and conditions like that entirely.

    So, I put "without coercion", but I would make it stronger. I would say only if the user voluntarily opted in to the arrangement in a situation where they were clearly able to continue to use the product without opting in.
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