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    Does Freedom of Speech Bias Politics Towards Elites?

    When you think about it, you realize that the only people who talk about politics are those who have time, energy, and attention to spare.

    Those who are busy can't advertise their positions. Furthermore, advertisement is afforded the most by those who have inside connections with advertisers.

    Therefore, does freedom of speech bias politics towards elites?

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    Re: Does Freedom of Speech Bias Politics Towards Elites?

    Political advertisements should probably be substantially restricted. Otherwise, no, there is no bias in free speech towards elites. The barrier for entry into political discourse is not very high... except where money is involved. And that's where the advertisements cause the most damage.
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    Re: Does Freedom of Speech Bias Politics Towards Elites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Political advertisements should probably be substantially restricted. Otherwise, no, there is no bias in free speech towards elites. The barrier for entry into political discourse is not very high... except where money is involved. And that's where the advertisements cause the most damage.
    ...so if you're disconnected, and I'm connected, you'd think freedom of speech lends a fair playing field?

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    Re: Does Freedom of Speech Bias Politics Towards Elites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    ...so if you're disconnected, and I'm connected, you'd think freedom of speech lends a fair playing field?
    Yes. Because being disconnected isn't a barrier to freedom of speech. You can choose to GET connected, or alternatively, you can choose to remain ignorant and voice your free speech anyway (look at FOX News). In any case, I'm not so sure it's a bad thing that people who know what they are talking about generally exercise their freedom of speech more than people who don't.
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    Re: Does Freedom of Speech Bias Politics Towards Elites?

    I hate it when people put editorial comments after "yes" and "no." Makes it almost a sure thing that none of the above will apply.
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    Re: Does Freedom of Speech Bias Politics Towards Elites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes. Because being disconnected isn't a barrier to freedom of speech. You can choose to GET connected, or alternatively, you can choose to remain ignorant and voice your free speech anyway (look at FOX News). In any case, I'm not so sure it's a bad thing that people who know what they are talking about generally exercise their freedom of speech more than people who don't.
    One, that's a circular argument. You're assuming disconnected people are close enough to become connected.

    Two, "can" does not imply "ought". Again, becoming connected has a cost. People can't necessarily afford that cost and afford a life they identify with.

    It's like you're saying a lightweight can buff up to contend a heavyweight.

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    Re: Does Freedom of Speech Bias Politics Towards Elites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    One, that's a circular argument. You're assuming disconnected people are close enough to become connected.
    I assume no such thing. I offered TWO alternatives; you just chose to ignore the other one. If they can't or won't get informed, but want to exercise their freedom of speech anyway, there is nothing stopping them from doing so. Plenty of ignorant people spout bull**** on television, radio, and the internet all the time.

    Two, "can" does not imply "ought". Again, becoming connected has a cost. People can't necessarily afford that cost and afford a life they identify with.
    That's fine. Some people don't care or don't have time to care about politics, and so they aren't as informed and contribute less to the national discussion than others who are better informed. And that's a perfectly acceptable choice for them to make. What's the problem?
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    Re: Does Freedom of Speech Bias Politics Towards Elites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    When you think about it, you realize that the only people who talk about politics are those who have time, energy, and attention to spare.

    Those who are busy can't advertise their positions. Furthermore, advertisement is afforded the most by those who have inside connections with advertisers.

    Therefore, does freedom of speech bias politics towards elites?
    Freedom of speech does not bias politics towards elites, but money in political advertising absolutely does.

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    Re: Does Freedom of Speech Bias Politics Towards Elites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I assume no such thing. I offered TWO alternatives; you just chose to ignore the other one. If they can't or won't get informed, but want to exercise their freedom of speech anyway, there is nothing stopping them from doing so. Plenty of ignorant people spout bull**** on television, radio, and the internet all the time.
    I don't think you understand. I'm talking about people being connected enough to broadcast their message.

    That's fine. Some people don't care or don't have time to care about politics, and so they aren't as informed and contribute less to the national discussion than others who are better informed. And that's a perfectly acceptable choice for them to make. What's the problem?
    The problem is those who can't contribute could have their choices influenced into the future. Freedom of speech forces them to assume the risk of being influenced without consent.

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    Re: Does Freedom of Speech Bias Politics Towards Elites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Freedom of speech does not bias politics towards elites, but money in political advertising absolutely does.
    I'm not sure what good money is if you're not connected with advertisers.

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