Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

[Meathead]

A simple question.

 

[Jetboogieman]

NOBODY'S PAYING FOR ****ING SANDRA ****ING FLUKES ****ING CONTRACEPTION...

HOLY JESUS.

There's nothing wrong with mandating Medical Insurance Companies to pay for contraception the same way they would pay for any other basic drugs that are nessecary for people to have, some of these HMO's cover Viagra for gods sake, so why not contraceptive pills?

Doing such a thing, expanding access to contraceptives is a massive net benefit to the economy as it reduces unwanted pregnancies, reduces the need for abortions which is a net positive for the medical insurance companies obviously abortion procedures cost more than a measly pill.

This whole idea that everyone pays for Sandra Flukes Contraceptives is such a fallacy it's unbelievable.

 

[obvious Child]

Heck Yeah. And by we, I mean insurance. Which is far cheaper than a live birth. It's much less pressure on my premiums for fewer births, fewer uninsured kids, and fewer welfare medical cases via no co-pay birth control then it is otherwise. SAVES ME MONEY. I'm down.

Considering how motivated that girl is, she'll go far. Which means she'll pay lots of taxes. Having a kid disrupts that. Meaning as taxpayers, we'll get more out of her not having a kid early compared to her having a kid when she's ready and paying oodles into Treasury Coffers.

Children born to parents, that 1) want them and 2) can provide for them turn out far better than children who aren't wanted and can't be provided for. Disagree? Watch 16 & Pregnant.

How about the anti-abortion crowd own up? You don't give a **** about abortions. If you did, you'd be all for free contraceptive, full and proper sex ed and non-sex is evil culture. But you're not. Abortion is just a cover for your real beliefs.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Let her pay for her own contraceptives. It's her responsibility, and nobody else's.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Let her pay for her own contraceptives. It's her responsibility, and nobody else's.

Well then everybody should pay for every medical drug and procedure out of their own pocket.

After all it's their responsibility.

Let's do away with HMO's, they're socialistic anyway.

:lol:

 

[Hatuey]

Well then everybody should pay for every medical drug and procedure out of their own pocket.

After all it's their responsibility.

Let's do away with HMO's, they're socialistic anyway.

:lol:

Let's also do away with all the benefits the military gets. Why should I pay for somebody's education, housing, medicines on top of the salary which my taxes already contribute to? If we adhered by the ridiculous definition conservatives have of 'socialism' we'd be a third world nation.

 

[obvious Child]

Let her pay for her own contraceptives. It's her responsibility, and nobody else's.

And this kids is why you don't drink the kool-aid. As Jetboogieman pointed out, the logic there is everyone should pay for their own costs entirely out of pocket. Meaning, brain surgery? Hope you saved up! Chemo? Hope you saved up! Cost sharing via insurance is clearly not acceptance as someone else is paying for your treatment.

The obvious outcome to someone who bothered to examine his beliefs (aka, NOT Bob Blaylock) is that we'd have a society where a single medical instance would wipe people out. Even the rich could be gone with a single highly expensive surgery and medical stay. Essentially, Blaylock's logic is pushing a highly stratified class society where only the uber-rich can afford healthcare and everyone else is left in the dark. Insurance allows virtually everyone to get decent healthcare without going bankrupt. But that means they aren't paying their own costs.

On top of that, we'd get more abortions. And we'd get more uninsured kids. And we'd get far less productive families who are now taking care of kids they can barely or not afford. Yay more welfare! How that fits the social conservative view, I don't get it, but their stances never made much logical sense to me anyways. Maybe because they never did bother to examine their beliefs?

This is why I'm socially liberal, fiscally pragmatic.

 

[obvious Child]

Let's also do away with all the benefits the military gets. Why should I pay for somebody's education, housing, medicines on top of the salary which my taxes already contribute to? If we adhered by the ridiculous definition conservatives have of 'socialism' we'd be a third world nation.

Amusingly, Obama pushed for more premium payments for TRICARE users. Apparently the GOP didn't like that Obama was making Socialist Healthcare less Socialist. Less reliance upon taxpayers and more user fees? OH GOD!!! People being more responsible for their healthcare costs? We can't have that!

 

[Redress]

A simple question.

Do you know how health insurance works? That might be a good place to start before asking the wrong question.

 

[Jetboogieman]

I take back everything I said above.

We shouldn't pay for Sandra Flukes Contraception.

Meathead should.

Where can I mail the bill to Meathead?

 

[ChunkySalsa]

No idea who Sandra Fluke is, but if a chick is asking for contraception, why not? A basic cost-benefit analysis says that paying for condoms and birth control is a hell of a lot cheaper than paying for all the various government programs that benefit children.

 

[Meathead]

Do you know how health insurance works? That might be a good place to start before asking the wrong question.

I understand the principle that there is no such thing as a free meal. In liberal wonderland this concept seem exceedingly hard to fathom.

If she chooses to fornicate, she should take responsibility for all it entails. FFS, the woman is 30 years old.

BTW, send the bill to

Meathead
Prague
Czech Republic

Then wait 2 weeks to eternity for payment.

 

[Jerry]

A simple question.

I ran the math last time we talked about this chick, turns out she has sex about 300 times per day.

To answer the poll question, no, the tax payer shouldn't pay, she should buy an insurance policy and her 'risk group' can pay.

 

[Redress]

I understand the principle that there is no such thing as a free meal. In liberal wonderland this concept seem exceedingly hard to fathom.

If she chooses to fornicate, she should take responsibility for all it entails. FFS, the woman is 30 years old.

BTW, send the bill to

Meathead
Prague
Czech Republic

Then wait 2 weeks to eternity for payment.

See, we have these new wonderful inventions you might have heard of. They are called the 20th and 21st century. It is too late to repeal those.

 

[Jerry]

Let her pay for her own contraceptives. It's her responsibility, and nobody else's.

Her body, her choice, her bill.

 

[Jerry]

...oh, and Rush Limbaugh is still on the air, doing quite well for himself...

 

[Henrin]

There's nothing wrong with mandating Medical Insurance Companies to pay for contraception the same way they would pay for any other basic drugs that are nessecary for people to have, some of these HMO's cover Viagra for gods sake, so why not contraceptive pills?

There is everything wrong with it. Did they violate any of her rights by not providing the services she desires? If not, they have the right to provide whatever they want to their consumers and if consumers are unhappy with what is provided they can move to another provider that does. If that doesn't happen than they have to figure out another plan forward. This applies to everything be it birth control, viagra, or whatever.

Is there any sort of reason we always forget that ownership is a right and can't simply be violated because we feel like it?

Btw, don't even try positive rights on me as they are violation of rights and more importantly liberty by default. It will be rejected on its face.

 

[Henrin]

See, we have these new wonderful inventions you might have heard of. They are called the 20th and 21st century. It is too late to repeal those.

The same argument was said by leaders throughout time. It has worked out well for them to my understanding. Wait..

Never think your crap will stand forever. They are all unconstitutional(not withstanding the crap that falls under the tenth) and more importantly its all a violation of our innate rights. We are never going away and those facts are not either.

 

[Henrin]

No idea who Sandra Fluke is, but if a chick is asking for contraception, why not? A basic cost-benefit analysis says that paying for condoms and birth control is a hell of a lot cheaper than paying for all the various government programs that benefit children.

Some of us don't play the game of doing another wrong to cover up for a past wrong.

 

[Meathead]

See, we have these new wonderful inventions you might have heard of. They are called the 20th and 21st century. It is too late to repeal those.

I am not surprised that someone who thinks the 20 & 21rst centuries were invented thinks we should pay for Fluke's sex life.

 

[Henrin]

How about the anti-abortion crowd own up? You don't give a **** about abortions. If you did, you'd be all for free contraceptive, full and proper sex ed and non-sex is evil culture. But you're not. Abortion is just a cover for your real beliefs.

Really? Talking about fallacies that is hell of a good one. Being against abortions and being against paying for what people need by the force of government are two totally different stances and have no amount of cross over at all.

The rest of it is just about stupid crap that is once again not connected.

 

[Henrin]

Well then everybody should pay for every medical drug and procedure out of their own pocket.

After all it's their responsibility.

Let's do away with HMO's, they're socialistic anyway.

:lol:

Does anyone here want to educate this poster that I'm quoting why HMO's raise the cost of healthcare?

 

[Cardinal]

People sure do have a lot of hangups over women having sex. :\

 

[Henrin]

People sure do have a lot of hangups over women having sex. :\

What? What hyperbole did you buy into?

 

[Cardinal]

What? What hyperbole did you buy into?

When somebody brings "fornicate" into a discussion on birth control, that's a hangup right there.