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Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

Should we pay for Sandra Fluke's birth control?


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I think everyone agrees that you should pay for your own children, but that is unrealistic because they just don't. We are still going to have teen pregnancies. I think (not sure though) that pregnant teens and teen mothers probably make up a HUGE percentage of those on public assistance. I don't know what else anyone would suggest. Charity is a nice thought, but there just aren't enough people giving to help everybody.

If teen pregnancy is such a problem, perhaps on the second occurence the teen and the current fetus should be aborted in the same procedure. Everyone makes 1 mistake.
 
Wow this thread is extremely disrespectful of Woman. First of all we are not paying for Sandra Flukes birth control we are paying insurance company to provide it under plan, Also Sandra Fluke wasn't asking for birth control coverage for herself she was testifying that her close friend who was sick needed birth control as treatment for her condition, it is used for treatment of some ovarian cancers, andrometriosis,menstual cramps, etc etc it is NOT just for contraception! For some it is a necessary medication to keep her periods regular , when I have time I will provide some links to medical reasons for bc , it is disgusting to read some of these threads obviously some have no knowledge of the medical benefits other than preventing pregnancy. Woman deserve better!
 
Charities are also struggling in this economy. This past Christmas it was all over my local news stations about how Christmas for Kids (a charity) might have had to be cancelled because they just didn't have the donations (gifts for poor children). It was very sad! :( Thank goodness, the community pulled together and there ended up being enough but only because of the publicity it was given.

I don't agree with giving those on public assistance cell phones and other things that are NOT necessities, but I don't have a problem with our food stamp programs, WIC programs, etc. I feel that those are necessary programs in order to maintain an orderly society. I don't know WHAT to think about the BC situation though. I know that I personally wouldn't mind having it be a part of some kind of public welfare if I thought it would cut down on unwanted pregnancies though. It's cheaper than paying for a child for 18 years.
 
If teen pregnancy is such a problem, perhaps on the second occurence the teen and the current fetus should be aborted in the same procedure. Everyone makes 1 mistake.

You can say that until you are blue in the face, and it won't make a bit of a difference, and IMO a very unrealistic approach.
 
Got any better suggestions? ;)

Have you ever noticed that people these days are standing out in the streets and they are not even homeless? That has really started to get on my nerves lately. I started out homeless and while sure it was only for a few days until I found a nice paying job it wasn't easy out there for those few days that is for sure. I find it offensive to see those people faking it and asking for money from people driving around. I had to sleep on the side of the road with nothing to eat the entire time but what I had in my bag with in all honestly only lasted me a day. The rest of the time I was hungry with nothing to eat. These people however are making it into a game like it's funny and all I want to do is kick their asses for the thought to even cross their minds, let alone actually doing it. Eh..but I'm getting off track here. Still, about two days ago was the worst one I have ever seen. His ass deserved it, but I resisted, as you might of guessed since I'm not in jail for assault. :D

Anywho..I don't honestly see much of a problem. Birth control has always been expensive, was not provided by insurance companies, and I don't remember anything like people are describing in this thread happening. People got what they needed and went to places that provided help when it was something they needed to do like the places Cpwill brought up. Its just that people are becoming worse from what I have seen(which is why I told the above story) and they all appear to have turned into parasites and cry babies that if you don't agree to give them what they want, you are an evil, evil man. I see it everyday and honestly, I think its clearly connected to what people are talking about in here. This mindset is a disease and its unbelievable it took this long for the disease to get as bad as it has, but here we are. We have 90% of the population supporting this kind of thing and no one cares if they need to use people against their will to get what they want. I find that a real problem in a society and I do not like it.
 
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Wow this thread is extremely disrespectful of Woman. First of all we are not paying for Sandra Flukes birth control we are paying insurance company to provide it under plan, Also Sandra Fluke wasn't asking for birth control coverage for herself she was testifying that her close friend who was sick needed birth control as treatment for her condition, it is used for treatment of some ovarian cancers, andrometriosis,menstual cramps, etc etc it is NOT just for contraception! For some it is a necessary medication to keep her periods regular , when I have time I will provide some links to medical reasons for bc , it is disgusting to read some of these threads obviously some have no knowledge of the medical benefits other than preventing pregnancy. Woman deserve better!

Women like anyone else gets what they pay for. Insurance companies are here to provide you a service and they get to decide what they want it to be.
 
Insurance should cover PAP smears, breast exams and birth control.

Conservatives should be all for this as they claim mothers are the backbone of our society and being able to care properly for each child would be greatly enhanced by birth control.

One thing BC did for us was regulate the monthly, reduce the flow and pain. It was a great health and quality of life enhancer for my wife.

The whole concept of insurance is we all pay in because so few can afford to pay cash upfront for even simple medical procedures.
 
Have you ever noticed that people these days are standing out in the streets and they are not even homeless? That has really started to get on my nerves lately. I started out homeless and while sure it was only for a few days until I found a nice paying job it wasn't easy out there for those few days that is for sure. I find it offensive to see those people faking it and asking for money from people driving around. I had to sleep on the side of the road with nothing to eat the entire time but what I had in my bag with in all honestly only lasted me a day. The rest of the time I was hungry with nothing to eat. These people however are making it into a game like it's funny and all I want to do is kick their asses for the thought to even cross their minds, let alone actually doing it. Eh..but I'm getting off track here. Still, about two days ago was the worst one I have ever seen. His ass deserved it, but I resisted, as you might of guessed since I'm not in jail for assault. :D

Anywho..I don't honestly see much of a problem. Birth control has always been expensive, was not provided by insurance companies, and I don't remember anything like people are describing in this thread happening. People got what they needed and went to places that provided help when it was something they needed to do like the places Cpwill brought up. Its just that people are becoming worse from what I have seen(which is why I told the above story) and they all appear to have turned into parasites and cry babies that if you don't agree to pay them what they want, you are an evil, evil man. I see it everyday and honestly, I think its clearly connected to what people are talking about in here. This mindset is a disease and its unbelievable it took this long for the disease to get as bad as it has, but here we are. We have 90% of the population supporting this kind of thing and no one cares if they need to use people against their will to get what they want. I find that a real problem in a society and I do not like it.

I don't assume to know who is homeless and who isn't. The way to cut down on people receiving public services is to just GIVE them the darn birth control. I'm sure a lot of people would use it and it would help somewhat.
 
I don't assume to know who is homeless and who isn't. The way to cut down on people receiving public services is to just GIVE them the darn birth control. I'm sure a lot of people would use it and it would help somewhat.

You know a faker when you see one, believe me. Then again, one of my gifts is picking up on things about people. Yes, people would use it, and I have no doubt about that. I also have no doubt it will help, but again, it's simply wrong to use people for your own benefit. I can not support it. I can only support asking for money from people that are willing to give, anything else is wrong.
 
Insurance should cover PAP smears, breast exams and birth control.

Conservatives should be all for this as they claim mothers are the backbone of our society and being able to care properly for each child would be greatly enhanced by birth control.

One thing BC did for us was regulate the monthly, reduce the flow and pain. It was a great health and quality of life enhancer for my wife.

The whole concept of insurance is we all pay in because so few can afford to pay cash upfront for even simple medical procedures.

Why would conservatives be for forcing a business to provide a service they do not want to offer?
 
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One thing BC did for us was regulate the monthly, reduce the flow and pain. It was a great health and quality of life enhancer for my wife.

I have sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo been through this already here at DP, and it was like I was talking to a huge brick wall. I cannot stress this enough:

Birth control helps regulate monthly periods and reduces it's many, many, many side effects.

Birth control helps regulate monthly periods and reduces it's many, many, many side effects.

Birth control helps regulate monthly periods and reduces it's many, many, many side effects.

Birth control helps regulate monthly periods and reduces it's many, many, many side effects.

Birth control helps regulate monthly periods and reduces it's many, many, many side effects.

Birth control helps regulate monthly periods and reduces it's many, many, many side effects.

Birth control helps regulate monthly periods and reduces it's many, many, many side effects.

Hey everyone at DP, did you know that birth control helps regulate monthly periods and reduces it's many, many, many side effects? Anyone who'll deny this to a woman is a big fat ignoramus.
 
I have sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo been through this already here at DP, and it was like I was talking to a huge brick wall. I cannot stress this enough:

Birth control helps regulate monthly periods and reduces it's many, many, many side effects.

Birth control helps regulate monthly periods and reduces it's many, many, many side effects.

Birth control helps regulate monthly periods and reduces it's many, many, many side effects.

Birth control helps regulate monthly periods and reduces it's many, many, many side effects.

Birth control helps regulate monthly periods and reduces it's many, many, many side effects.

Birth control helps regulate monthly periods and reduces it's many, many, many side effects.

Birth control helps regulate monthly periods and reduces it's many, many, many side effects.

Hey everyone at DP, did you know that birth control helps regulate monthly periods and reduces it's many, many, many side effects? Anyone who'll deny this to a woman is a big fat ignoramus.

Who is the asshole that is trying to ban birth control?
 
NOBODY'S PAYING FOR ****ING SANDRA ****ING FLUKES ****ING CONTRACEPTION...

HOLY JESUS.

There's nothing wrong with mandating Medical Insurance Companies to pay for contraception the same way they would pay for any other basic drugs that are nessecary for people to have, some of these HMO's cover Viagra for gods sake, so why not contraceptive pills?

Doing such a thing, expanding access to contraceptives is a massive net benefit to the economy as it reduces unwanted pregnancies, reduces the need for abortions which is a net positive for the medical insurance companies obviously abortion procedures cost more than a measly pill.

This whole idea that everyone pays for Sandra Flukes Contraceptives is such a fallacy it's unbelievable.

This gets the award for Best Post of the Day.
 
You know a faker when you see one, believe me. Then again, one of my gifts is picking up on things about people. Yes, people would use it, and I have no doubt about that. I also have no doubt it will help, but again, it's simply wrong to use people for your own benefit. I can not support it. I can only support asking for money from people that are willing to give, anything else is wrong.

It's for the benefit of society as a whole, and if it helped, it would benefit you and me too by saving us money in the bigger picture. :)
 
some of these HMO's cover Viagra for gods sake, so why not contraceptive pills?
I'll accept your argument when the gov mandates coverage for Viagra.
 
Anyone who'll deny this to a woman is a big fat ignoramus.
We're probably not going to have any say in the matter, so it looks like we all get to dodge the ignoramus bullet.
 
Who is the asshole that is trying to ban birth control?

As far as I know (though you can never be certain with the clowns in DC), no one is trying to ban the pill. But there are a group of uninformed knee-jerking ignoramuses who think that birth control should not be covered by insurance. Completely retarded and insane to anyone who has the ability to think, IMO.
 
We're probably not going to have any say in the matter, so it looks like we all get to dodge the ignoramus bullet.

So public pressure will have no effect on insurance companies?
 
I think everyone agrees that you should pay for your own children, but that is unrealistic because they just don't. We are still going to have teen pregnancies. I think (not sure though) that pregnant teens and teen mothers probably make up a HUGE percentage of those on public assistance. I don't know what else anyone would suggest. Charity is a nice thought, but there just aren't enough people giving to help everybody.

That is what Planned Parenthood is for. It has served this same purpose since I was a teenager in the 70's, and any girl who isn't smart enough to make sure she doesn't get pregnant is neglecting her own well-being.
 
So public pressure will have no effect on insurance companies?
I'll rephrase: We, meaning my side of the plitical spectrum, will probably get outvoted. I am, however, glad to see that democracy still works in this country. It's a small consolation, but I'm prepared to live with it. :)
 
I'll rephrase: We, meaning my side of the plitical spectrum, will probably get outvoted. I am, however, glad to see that democracy still works in this country. It's a small consolation, but I'm prepared to live with it. :)

Good.
I can guarantee you that your life will not be afflicted in any shape or form. ;)
 
A simple question.


Its not a simple question, IMHO. The problem we have in America is we've been conditioned to associate the payment for healthcare services with health insurance. I don't use auto insurance to get my oil changed. I don't use auto insurance to get my car washed and waxed. I don't use auto insurance to get the tank filled up with gas. Yet for nearly every healthcare service we use health insurance, which is a horrible way to control costs for several reasons.

First, the health insurance companies who are understandably in business to make money, add in their costs to doing business and profits into every one of our doctor visits, prescriptions, etc. making healthcare needlessly more expensive.

Secondly, the consumer has little say in with whom their healthcare needs will be met. Instead, their employer decides. If I want to shop at Target, I don't want my employer telling me no you won't; we've make a company decision that you and your family can only shop at Wal-Mart. Then if Wal-Mart doesn't carry a product that I want or even need, I'm screwed. I can bring my situation to the attention of Wal-Mart management all I want but all they will likely do is humor me by listening and then get back to whatever they where doing because they KNOW I have no choice in the matter but to be stuck with them and whatever they decide to offer. The only people they have to keep happy are my employers, not me.

Thirdly, as long as I have no say in who meets my healthcare needs or what it costs, there are no competitive market forces in play to keep costs down or to outdo each other in areas of quality of service, etc. Instead, we're left with the kindness of people's hearts, government regulation and fear of law suits.

Now, before anybody jumps to conclusions, under the circumstances it is in many cases cost prohibitive to go outside our current system and buy healthcare services a la carte. Health insurance under the the present situation is BETTER than a la carte out of pocket healthcare and as such IMHO any and all of Sandra Fluke's medical services prescribed by her doctor should be covered. Nobody knows if Sandra Fluke suffers from any number of medical conditions that just so happens to be treated by what are called birth control pills but treats any number of conditions not related to pregnancy prevention of sexually active women and to be honest its nobody's business.

The better solution (Smeagol's Healthcare Reform System (c) 2012 :cool:), IMHO is flat monthly fee hospital or health services association membership club similar to gym memberships. Everybody pays the same basic rate and no pre-existing conditions exclusions or lifetime limits. Annual rebates paid out just before Black Friday each year for members who don't engage in unhealthy lifestyles and work out, which all can be monitored. Renewable annually and selected by the consumer, not their employer unless the employer wants to give a tax free annual healthcare membership bonus to its employees. End the requirement to treat non-covered people, in this case non-members. The hospital then treats any and every healthcare issue of their members. Escrow components and national affiliated hospital groups to cover emergency medical needs when out of town. If St. Steven's Hospital says in their annual renewal period we don't do birth control pills, guess what? Sandra Fluke can join the Memorial Hospital group instead, that does. Everybody's costs go down because we've eliminated a needless middleman, the health insurance company except for huge $multi-million policies that the hospitals all buy to cover them in case of their expenses get really high. People have financial incentive be healthy. Everybody in healthcare is working overtime to be better than the other because when its time to renew, they want your business. Safety net for the poor. Huge penalties including wage garnishment and liens for people who decide to get a membership only after they need it to balance out the loss on ongoing revenue.

A doctor friend told me by the time she gets paid for treating a patient, the bill has passed through 8 hands all wanting their cut. The total bill is $80, she got $20 after everybody was paid. If that same model is roughly accurate throughout healthcare, I imagine hospital memberships to be very affordable once we eliminate the middlemen from the mix. I'm just guessing but under $100 a month for singles and a few hundred a month for families. ????
 
That is what Planned Parenthood is for. It has served this same purpose since I was a teenager in the 70's, and any girl who isn't smart enough to make sure she doesn't get pregnant is neglecting her own well-being.

Personally, I agree. But I just think that making it even easier to get BC would be of benefit to society as a whole. Less disease, less unwanted children, less abortions. JMHO of course.
 
so wait.. so she was a Dem operative?...no way..
 
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