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Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

Should we pay for Sandra Fluke's birth control?

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ChrisL said:
You are probably referring to just condoms which are pretty cheap but not always very effective. I am talking more along the lines of the pill. I really have no idea how much it would cost without insurance.
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BC pills, etc are pretty darn affordable.
Besides all that though, poor females already have taxpayer subsidized choices to get free or reduced cost birth control.
State health departments all around the U.S.
 
Henrin said:
You must be messing here. How can you believe in innate rights and think these things should be proved by insurance companies by the force of government? It really makes no sense to someone that actually DOES understand it.
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Knock it off. No one is FORCING you to buy birth control coverage. People want the choice to buy the insurance coverage for themselves. If you prevent that choice then it is you who are FORCING your ideology into the market place and telling others what they can or can't buy.

PS learn the difference between natural and innate rights for cryin out loud.
 
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Moot said:
I mean women can't separate their gender from their health. We are talking about health insurance coverage that everyone must buy. What insurance coverage you buy is your business and what women buy is theirs. GOT IT!!!!!
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Yes, you buy something and it doesn't have the service you desire included. The service you desire is not a right and you can't force it to be proved to you. You can word this in a million ways, but you do not have that right naturally.

Sorry, but you are the one who keeps trying to force people to argue with your strawman. The only one showing self interest here is you.
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What?? I'm not? What? I don't even..know..what..this..is. WTF?

No, your conclusion is false because it's based on a false premise. A woman can not be seperated from her own body and it is her body that is inalienable and possesses natural rights. A fetus inside her body is alieanable because it can be removed and separated. Once born, the fetus is inalienable in it's own right. Neither woman or man can give up the soveriegnty of their own body until they die.
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Her body contains another life and the right to your body does not extend to killing other beings of this species. I understand it fine. You can keep believing I'm wrong though. I don't care.

No, I don't and I doubt I ever will because you are wrong as I pointed out above.
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Nope, I'm not. Why are still talking to me about this anyway? You don't even understand what a negative right is.

What is this property rights kick you're on? People "own" their own bodies and can treat it as property. But you don't own someone elses body and they don't own yours. But that is a subject for another thread because this thread is simply about health insurance covering birth control.
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See this one of the logic blackholes you have. If you can't own another being it would logically conclude she can't kill the child inside of her as it is property of itself. :D

Thats good to hear because I don't need your permission to think whatever I want, either.
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So aggressive. Why are you though?

Are you talking to your invisible chair agaiin? Why don't you educate yourself on what "group insurance" is so you can stop arguing from ignorance.
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I already know, but do you? Who provides this insurance? You?

Property owners? Who exactly do you think you own that you get to decide what kind of health coverage other people should or shouldn't get? Again, you are arguing from ignorance. Go do your homework, I'm tired of arguing with your strawman.
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Healthcare is a service. :prof No amount of ownership over your body is taking place.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
BC pills, etc are pretty darn affordable.
Besides all that though, poor females already have taxpayer subsidized choices to get free or reduced cost birth control.
State health departments all around the U.S.
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Well, I can't say that you don't have a point. It's certainly not astronomical. This is from PP:

"First, you’ll need to get a prescription. Visit a Planned Parenthood health center, a clinic, or a private health care provider for a prescription. Your health care provider will discuss your medical history with you, check your blood pressure, and give you any other medical exam that you may need. If you need an exam, it may cost about $35–$250.

Birth control pills may be purchased with a prescription at a drugstore or clinic. They cost about $15–$50 a month.

Planned Parenthood works to make health care accessible and affordable. Some health centers are able to charge according to income. Most accept health insurance. If you qualify, Medicaid or other state programs may lower your health care costs.

Call your local Planned Parenthood health center to get specific information on costs."
 
ChrisL said:
Well, I can't say that you don't have a point. It's certainly not astronomical. This is from PP:

"First, you’ll need to get a prescription. Visit a Planned Parenthood health center, a clinic, or a private health care provider for a prescription. Your health care provider will discuss your medical history with you, check your blood pressure, and give you any other medical exam that you may need. If you need an exam, it may cost about $35–$250.

Birth control pills may be purchased with a prescription at a drugstore or clinic. They cost about $15–$50 a month.

Planned Parenthood works to make health care accessible and affordable. Some health centers are able to charge according to income. Most accept health insurance. If you qualify, Medicaid or other state programs may lower your health care costs.

Call your local Planned Parenthood health center to get specific information on costs."
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The health department can be even cheaper, to the tune of free.
 
Moot said:
Knock it off. No one is FORCING you to buy birth control coverage. People want the choice to buy the insurance coverage for themselves. If you prevent that choice then it is you who are FORCING your ideology into the market place and telling others what they can or can't buy.
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They don't want to provide it to you. It is their choice, not yours. You bought into what they decided to provide. You don't like it? Well, OK? What do you want me to do about it? Force them to change their mind? I'm not doing that for you. You can cry like a little baby all you want, but its still wrong to force this action on them. If you really want to be treated like a child I will treat you like one. I'm sorry, but stop crying about it. They don't want to. That is their right.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
The health department can be even cheaper, to the tune of free.
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Well then, I don't know what the problem could be. Maybe if people weren't so hung up on sex and sexuality, it wouldn't be such a "forbidden fruit" and people would act more responsibly when it came to sex and preventing pregnancies. :shrug:
 
ChrisL said:
Well then, I don't know what the problem could be. Maybe if people weren't so hung up on sex and sexuality, it wouldn't be such a "forbidden fruit" and people would act more responsibly when it came to sex and preventing pregnancies. :shrug:
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People are lazy and irresponsible, welcome to world.
No amount of free this or that, will change it.
 
Henrin said:
They don't want to provide it to you. It is their choice, not yours. You bought into what they decided to provide. You don't like it? Well, OK? What do you want me to do about it? Force them to change their mind? I'm not doing that for you. You can cry like a little baby all you want, but its still wrong to force this action on them.
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Who the hell are "they"? WTF are you talking about now? Can you stay focused long enough to actually respond to anything or any points that someone else said?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
People are lazy and irresponsible, welcome to world.
No amount of free this or that, will change it.
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Better and more thorough sex education classes in schools maybe would help? You know, there are still teenagers and young people out there who don't really know ANYTHING about sex and responsibility, but they're doing it. I've read some questions on sites like Ask.com where teens actually think you can't get pregnant the first time you have sex and ridiculous things like that.
 
ChuckBerry said:
Ideally I would give it to a Catholic charity who would administer a foster/adoption program.
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Then do that. I'm all for that if that is really want you want to do.
 
ChrisL said:
Better and more thorough sex education classes in schools maybe would help? You know, there are still teenagers and young people out there who don't really know ANYTHING about sex and responsibility, but they're doing it. I've read some questions on sites like Ask.com where teens actually think you can't get pregnant the first time you have sex and ridiculous things like that.
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I didn't know many or rather any teenagers or adults, that didn't know sex can equal pregnancy.
People aren't perfectly rational and no amount of education will change that.

For poor people, having a kid can bring additional cash flow into your household.
A perverse incentive that is.
 
Moot said:
Who the hell are "they"? WTF are you talking about now? Can you stay focused long enough to actually respond to anything or any points that someone else said?
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Can I ask you how I made you mad? I would like to say sorry for it, but I honestly don't know what I did.

Anyway, you know who I'm talking about. Playing dumb isn't your strong suit. Please pick something else.
 
ChrisL said:
Better and more thorough sex education classes in schools maybe would help?
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:lamo man, our government schools can't even teach math. I'm thinking betting on them to adequately handle an issue as personal, complex, and deeply intertwined with human morals and nature such as sexuality is going to be a losing one.
 
cpwill said:
:lamo man, our government schools can't even teach math. I'm thinking betting on them to adequately handle an issue as personal, complex, and deeply intertwined with human morals and nature such as sexuality is going to be a losing one.
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Yes, LOL, good point. :lol: There are never easy answers.
 
ChrisL said:
Well, for one thing, just because someone cares about poor people doesn't mean they aren't close to being poor themselves. Some people more than likely cannot afford to give away any money, especially in this economy. It is a shame that more people don't give, but that's life. People acting irresponsibly with their bodies is also life. Society will never be perfect and neither will the people. IMO, it's a good idea to pay for birth control and at least TRY to cut down on the number of unwanted pregnancies and abortions. That alone is worth it to me. Our taxes already support families on public assistance.
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I just disagree with all public assistance programs, sorry.
 
Henrin said:
I just disagree with all public assistance programs, sorry.
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Yes, but without them, there COULD be a lot more crime, and I don't like the idea of making children suffer for the "sins" of their parents.
 
ChrisL said:
Yes, but without them, there COULD be a lot more crime, and I don't like the idea of making children suffer for the "sins" of their parents.
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I don't either, but I can't accept a wrong to resolve it. It's just something I can't do.
 
ChunkySalsa said:
Strange to see you're ok wagering our tax dollars against the "unlikely" chance that not every woman who would otherwise be taking BC pills will instead go out and get condoms. I had you pegged for a "reducing taxes is more important than maximizing the negative consequences of actions I disapprove" kind of guy.
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Liberty > Money.
 
Henrin said:
I don't either, but I can't accept a wrong to resolve it. It's just something I can't do.
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Got any better suggestions? ;)
 
No, she should pay for her own, and if it's a big enough priority in her life, she will pay for her own.
 
lizzie said:
No, she should pay for her own, and if it's a big enough priority in her life, she will pay for her own.
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I think everyone agrees that you should pay for your own children, but that is unrealistic because they just don't. We are still going to have teen pregnancies. I think (not sure though) that pregnant teens and teen mothers probably make up a HUGE percentage of those on public assistance. I don't know what else anyone would suggest. Charity is a nice thought, but there just aren't enough people giving to help everybody.
 
There are a number of other conditions for which contraceptions are prescribed than just to prevent pregnancy. It's a private matter between the purchaser(s) of the insurance and the insurance companies.
 
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