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Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

Should we pay for Sandra Fluke's birth control?


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People sure do have a lot of hangups over women having sex. :\
Nobody really cares if it costs the rest of us nothing. Fluke should have her boyfriends chip in. Hell, she could get very rich. If I were boinking her I might ante up, but she's really not all that hot.
 
When somebody brings "fornicate" into a discussion on birth control, that's a hangup right there.

???? That is a big jump of logic, but ok.
 
Nobody really cares if it costs the rest of us nothing. Fluke should have her boyfriends chip in. Hell, she could get very rich. If I were boinking her I might ante up, but she's really not all that hot.

First it's "fornicate", and now you're bringing how "hot" she is into a discussion on whether health insurance should cover birth control.

Nope, no issues here. No siree bob.
 
First it's "fornicate", and now you're bringing how "hot" she is into a discussion on whether health insurance should cover birth control.

Nope, no issues here. No siree bob.

You are making a huge assumption on his stance with almost no evidence, just sayin'
 
The same argument was said by leaders throughout time. It has worked out well for them to my understanding. Wait..

Never think your crap will stand forever. They are all unconstitutional(not withstanding the crap that falls under the tenth) and more importantly its all a violation of our innate rights. We are never going away and those facts are not either.

Do you have any idea what the topic is or what we are talking about? Do you know how health insurance works?
 
First it's "fornicate", and now you're bringing how "hot" she is into a discussion on whether health insurance should cover birth control.

Nope, no issues here. No siree bob.
What's wrong with the word fornicate? I also used the word boink, I could use the word coitus also but I suspect the classic word would get deleted. I am not clear on what your point is and I suspect you have but a fleeting idea yourself.
 
Do you have any idea what the topic is or what we are talking about? Do you know how health insurance works?

Yes and yes??
 
First it's "fornicate", and now you're bringing how "hot" she is into a discussion on whether health insurance should cover birth control.

Nope, no issues here. No siree bob.

What do I have to do with it?

Anyway, there's no reason that insurance ought to cover contraception. Insurance is a way of pooling risk. You pay a relatively small premium to an insurance company, with the expectation that if something expensive happens that is covered by the policy for which you are paying, the insurance will pay the costs thereof. It's actually a form of gambling. You're betting the insurance company that something bad and expensive will happen to you, and if it does, you “win” the bet. The insurance company has to charge enough in premiums to cover the cost of the potential claim adjusted by the risk of that claim taking place.

Contraception isn't about any risk. If you choose to use it, it's an ongoing cost. For insurance to cover it, they would have to charge you more in premiums than it would cost for you to simply buy it yourself.
 
There's nothing wrong with mandating Medical Insurance Companies to pay for contraception the same way they would pay for any other basic drugs that are nessecary for people to have, some of these HMO's cover Viagra for gods sake, so why not contraceptive pills?

unless, of course, one is concerned about things such as individual liberty, religious freedom, etc. but hey, **** those things, where's my free stuff?
 
Then why did you say what you did since it had nothing to do with it?

I don't see how saying we invented two centuries makes sense so I can say whatever I want in response.
 
liberty, religious freedom

Who's liberty is threatened by women having birth control?

And then we have the whole religious liberty thing.

As if priests are going to be forced to hand out bread, wine and birth control during mass.

We're talking about HMO's here champ.
 
Who's liberty is threatened by women having birth control?

In general, no one. In this case..

Business owners. Also a violation of property rights.

And then we have the whole religious liberty thing.

As if priests are going to be forced to hand out bread, wine and birth control during mass.

Your reasonings kind of suck. Its not just OK because its not that big of a deal. Its still a violation.
 
Really? Talking about fallacies that is hell of a good one. Being against abortions and being against paying for what people need by the force of government are two totally different stances and have no amount of cross over at all.

Perhaps you should actually read what I wrote. You know, rather than just make up whatever you think I wrote. Reading Comprehension. Try it.

The rest of it is just about stupid crap that is once again not connected.

If you have no ability to critically think, sure it doesn't.
 
unless, of course, one is concerned about things such as individual liberty, religious freedom, etc. but hey, **** those things, where's my free stuff?

Again, only you want to live in a world where we just let people die because they can't afford to pay at that very second.

The rest of us don't. Stop applying your crazy fantasy criteria framework to everyone else.
 
Perhaps you should actually read what I wrote. You know, rather than just make up whatever you think I wrote. Reading Comprehension. Try it.

Yes, I read it all. What did I miss?
 
Again, only you want to live in a world where we just let people die because they can't afford to pay at that very second.

The rest of us don't. Stop applying your crazy fantasy criteria framework to everyone else.

He doesn't either. Hyperbole alert!
 
Who's liberty is threatened by women having birth control?

I don't think that anyone has so far said nor implied that anyone's liberty is threatened by someone else having birth control.

What is a threat to liberty is forcing one person to pay for something for someone else.

If Ms. Fluke wants birth control, she can pay for it out of her own pocket. There's no rational reason why she should be taken the least bit seriously in demanding that someone else be forced to buy it for her.
 
Should we pay for Sandra Fluke's birth control?


Yes, if private insurance companies are part of the AHCA insurance exchange and everyone must buy insurance then the insurance companies must offer birth control coverage just as they would any other prescription. Women's reproductive health is a pre-existing condition and inalienable. The constitution protects inalienable rights, doesn't it?
 
I don't see how saying we invented two centuries makes sense so I can say whatever I want in response.

Let's take it step by step. The OP question is "Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?". This is one of two things, either a complete misunderstanding of the issue or a straw man. No one suggests that "we" should pay for her contraception except for some one advocating for single payer type systems(which is an entirely separate issue and has nothing to do with Fluke). I am giving him the benefit of the doubt, saying that he did not construct a dishonest poll question, but instead just does not understand the issue. His response to me suggested that we roll back time to the 18th century. You are talking about something entirely different that has exactly jack and **** to do with the question asked and my response. Nothing I said had anything whatsoever to do with "leaders" or the constitution.
 
Should we pay for Sandra Fluke's birth control?


Yes, if private insurance companies are part of the AHCA insurance exchange and everyone must buy insurance then the insurance companies must offer birth control coverage just as they would any other prescription. Women's reproductive health is a pre-existing condition and inalienable. The constitution protects inalienable rights, doesn't it?

To all liberals(or in this case undisclosed people): Stop using the term "inalienable rights" and attaching it to services of our creation. It's not funny and to people that know what inalienable rights are it makes us face palm. Stop it.

Having your health maintained is not an inalienable right. Stop saying it is.
 
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unless, of course, one is concerned about things such as individual liberty, religious freedom, etc. but hey, **** those things, where's my free stuff?

Maybe you where not aware of this, but insurance is not free. It costs money. No one is asking for a free handout.
 
NOBODY'S PAYING FOR ****ING SANDRA ****ING FLUKES ****ING CONTRACEPTION...

HOLY JESUS.

There's nothing wrong with mandating Medical Insurance Companies to pay for contraception the same way they would pay for any other basic drugs that are nessecary for people to have, some of these HMO's cover Viagra for gods sake, so why not contraceptive pills?

Doing such a thing, expanding access to contraceptives is a massive net benefit to the economy as it reduces unwanted pregnancies, reduces the need for abortions which is a net positive for the medical insurance companies obviously abortion procedures cost more than a measly pill.

This whole idea that everyone pays for Sandra Flukes Contraceptives is such a fallacy it's unbelievable.
What is wrong with mandating such a thing is that is exactly the reason why health insurance costs so much in the first place. Insurance is for the catastrophic illness or injury not to cover every day items. If auto insurance were mandated to cover the cost of wiper fluid and oil changes, what would happen to the cost of that insurance? If homeowners insurance were mandated to cover the cost of routine lawn maintenance, what would happen to the cost of that insurance? The resason that people have trouble paying health insurance premiums is because they cover too much. Those who want health insurance costs to fall should be the first in line to reject the idea that insurance should cover things that are so easily paid for out of pocket.
 
Again, only you want to live in a world where we just let people die because they can't afford to pay at that very second.

The rest of us don't. Stop applying your crazy fantasy criteria framework to everyone else.

Oddly, since we do not live in a society where people are refused medical treatment, we are going to pay for it one way or another if people can't afford it. That kinda ruins the right wing rhetoric on the topic.
 
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