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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    They don't have facts,they have biases it is a political organization, not a research or industry board. I'm done with you here, you like Moot are not an expert in this subject and not being honest.
    So perhaps instead of pontificating with vague allegations you can actually be specific and show us proof of this supposed claim?
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    They don't have facts,they have biases it is a political organization, not a research or industry board. I'm done with you here, you like Moot are not an expert in this subject and not being honest.
    Please present your proof that it is a political organization. I submitted the wikipedia entry on it and it describes much the opposite.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    "where does it say in the first amendment that congress shall make laws respecting a religious establishment?" [/B]
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

    Catholics consider contraception as bad as abortion. To force them to pay for contraception is preventing them from practicing their religious beliefs. Thus un constitutional.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I was in the industry. You don't know what you are talking about, and politifact is not an acceptable counter.
    Actually, Politifact has a lot more credibility than you do. If you were in the industry then it's obvious why you aren't anymore because you have amptly proven that you are clueless how insurance really works.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by comedy4all View Post
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

    Catholics consider contraception as bad as abortion. To force them to pay for contraception is preventing them from practicing their religious beliefs. Thus un constitutional.
    But their religious establishment was exempt from paying for contraception and yet the bishops continued to lobby congress to ban it for non-religious establishments. Thus if congress passes a law that bans or exempts non religious establishments on religious grounds then congress is in violation of the constitution.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    They don't have facts,they have biases it is a political organization, not a research or industry board. I'm done with you here, you like Moot are not an expert in this subject and not being honest.
    You're the being dishonest. Like Haymarket said, you have nothing to back up your arguments except fallacies and hyperboli. So go ahead and scurry away but the fact still remains that Republicans embraced the mandate long before Obamacare did. Ooopsie, their hypocricy is showing and so is yours.


    Just so you know, the reason Republicans originally embraced the mandate was because they didn't like people not taking personal responsibility to pay for their own healthcare and expecting the taxpayers (other people's money) to pick up the bill for their medical costs. So what has changed? Oh yeah thats right, there's a Black man in the whitehouse.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    But their religious establishment was exempt from paying for contraception and yet the bishops continued to lobby congress to ban it for non-religious establishments. Thus if congress passes a law that bans or exempts non religious establishments on religious grounds then congress is in violation of the constitution.
    “Obamacare considers contraceptives, sterilizations, and abortion as "preventative services" under its definition of "health care". The underlying presumption is that pregnancy is a disease. When people pay into the Obamcare scheme, whether as taxpayers or through their insurance, their dollars will be used to finance these procedures, some of which must be provided for free to all women. The people have no choice - the individual mandate means everyone pays”

    Under the affordable care act free contraception must be provided in all insurance plans. If Catholics refuse to buy an insurance plan as to not violate their religion they will be taxed extra. This tax will go to paying for things like contraception and abortions. If Catholics buy insurance it violates their religion, if Catholics don’t buy insurance it violates their religion. The affordable care act creates a situation that prohibits the free exercise of the Catholic religion; thus it is unconstitutional.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by comedy4all View Post
    Obamacare considers contraceptives, sterilizations, and abortion as "preventative services" under its definition of "health care". The underlying presumption is that pregnancy is a disease. When people pay into the Obamcare scheme, whether as taxpayers or through their insurance, their dollars will be used to finance these procedures, some of which must be provided for free to all women. The people have no choice - the individual mandate means everyone pays”
    Really, and where did you get your information because that's not what I read? Instead, I read that there was an executive order that made the Hyde amendment apply to Obamacare which means no federal funding for abortions. Maybe you should back up your claim that Obamacare considers pregnancy a "disease" with a link or some credible evidence. Otherwise, I have no reason to take your hyperboli seriously.

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    Hyde Amendment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Both sides of abortion issue quick to dismiss order - USATODAY.com

    Under the affordable care act free contraception must be provided in all insurance plans. If Catholics refuse to buy an insurance plan as to not violate their religion they will be taxed extra. This tax will go to paying for things like contraception and abortions. If Catholics buy insurance it violates their religion, if Catholics don’t buy insurance it violates their religion. The affordable care act creates a situation that prohibits the free exercise of the Catholic religion; thus it is unconstitutional.
    All religious establishments, including the Catholic church are exempt from having insurance coverage for birth control pills. So where are you getting your information, comedy4all? From comic books? lol

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Sandra Fluke is what, 30 years old?

    If she can't afford her own contraception, she needs to find another hobby that's less expensive.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Sandra Fluke is what, 30 years old?

    If she can't afford her own contraception, she needs to find another hobby that's less expensive.
    She was speaking for other women who can't afford it. Thats her job.

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