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Thread: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    People sure do have a lot of hangups over women having sex. :\
    I certainly do when their sex lifestyle makes its way to my wallet.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    What a waste of a perfectly good ferrari. Poor thing. Destroyed by an idiot. I bet I have driven more miles backward than you have forward, literaly. You give me a Ferrari and its like giving a exeperianced concert violenest a Stratavarius, we both can make our respective instruments sing for angels. As for the Ferrari or eyeglasses for that matter if somene WANTS to give them to me, who am I to deny them. Apparently 35% of the people who took the poll want to give Sandra Fluke contraceptives, I figered they might be amiable to giving me a Ferrari. I could do much much more with a Ferrari than Sandra could ever do with condom. Besides it never hurts to ask. You never no someone just might give me a shiny Ferrari. Prefferably red, but really pretty much any color will do nicely.

    I'm with you, if someone wants to buy me a new Ferrari with no strings attached then who am I to refuse? woo hoo. But the point was and I admit it wasn't very clear, was that after you wrap your "red" Ferrari around a telephone pole that it's not "other people" who will pay for your hospitalization and meds, it's the insurance company and from the posts I've read that's what most of the 35% were clearly saying about birth control pills.


    As a side, when I was looking for a photo, I couldn't help but notice there seems to be a lot more wrecked 'red' Ferraris than other colors.......a lot more.....

    wrecked ferrari - Google Search

    So what is it about red Ferraris that makes people want to drive themselves into a pole or under a bus? Is it because they have good insurance? Or do they expect other people to pay for their parapalegic hospital care and meds for the rest of their lives...assuming they survived, of course?
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    your reply.... literally.... made..... no..... sense.
    It makes sense if you think about it. So lets recap....the bishops were lobbying the government to change the laws to adhere to their theology and ban birth control pills. You tried to blow it off with some contortion about forcing others to buy birth control....
    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    .....there aren't any female Catholic bishops. Naturally a panel of them would be all male....<snip>

    this isn't an issue of womens' health. No one is trying to take away birth control, or argue that women should be banned restricted or in any way limited from getting it. What is at issue is whether or not they have the right to force others to purchase it for them even in direct contravention of those others religious faith.
    But the fact is, birth control really wasn't an issue at all until the bishops began their crusade to change the laws. So I asked you, "where does it say in the first amendment that congress shall make laws respecting a religious establishment?"

    Your reply was to feign ignorance. So now that you've had time to come to your senses, how about answering my question?

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    All I'm saying is it's an additional liability and demand will go up. It's elective. I haven't commented on the level of the policy coverage, but now a bare bones policy must cover BC as well as a Cadillac group policy. The cadillac policy will show a lower risk but the lowest coverage options will not absorb it, then there is the middle, but no matter what the aggregate risk increase will add up.
    I don't think you give the insurance companies enough credit for doing a cost risk analysis. I seriously doubt they will go broke covering birth control pills if that's what you're trying to imply.

    Tucker, why focus on this? What I've been saying is that there is no alternative, by default people will have to spend their money on coverage they may or may not agree with.
    Because Tucker is right, once you write a check that money is no longer in your account, which means it's no longer yours because you bought an insurance product that will pay out when you get sick or make a claim.

    But, before the mandate you didn't have to give it to a company which provided electives, now you do. There is no getting around that.
    Before the mandate a lot of people didn't have any insurance and when they got sick they became a burden on society who had to pay for their medical bills. Hospitals were going broke because of the uninsured so they started passing that burdensome cost onto Medicare and also the insurance companies, who then in turn raised the cost of insurance for policy holders. The mandate forces the uninsured to buy the insurance so they can stop being a burden on everyone else. So really, it's only a mandate for those who could afford to buy insurance but didn't.

    Btw, a lot of Republicans embraced the notion of an insurance mandate.....before Obama did....
    PolitiFact | Facebook post says Republicans embraced individual mandate in 1993


    No, I am saying that the risk pool and everything covered is the liability under contract of the insurance company, buying a policy with that coverage means you are funding it. Period, end of story.
    But you're only funding coverage for yourself and family if you have one.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I cant believe that a FULL 35% of the people on this forum actually WANT to pay for it. I wonder if they will pay for my Ferrari?
    Maybe they will also agree with paying for a beach vacation for me? Because that is good for my mental health and it might prevent more expensive stress related medical problems in the future. Maybe insurance should cover the suntan lotion for that beach vacation too, because that will help prevent skin cancer.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I don't think you give the insurance companies enough credit for doing a cost risk analysis. I seriously doubt they will go broke covering birth control pills if that's what you're trying to imply.

    Because Tucker is right, once you write a check that money is no longer in your account, which means it's no longer yours because you bought an insurance product that will pay out when you get sick or make a claim.

    Before the mandate a lot of people didn't have any insurance and when they got sick they became a burden on society who had to pay for their medical bills. Hospitals were going broke because of the uninsured so they started passing that burdensome cost onto Medicare and also the insurance companies, who then in turn raised the cost of insurance for policy holders. The mandate forces the uninsured to buy the insurance so they can stop being a burden on everyone else. So really, it's only a mandate for those who could afford to buy insurance but didn't.

    Btw, a lot of Republicans embraced the notion of an insurance mandate.....before Obama did....
    PolitiFact | Facebook post says Republicans embraced individual mandate in 1993


    But you're only funding coverage for yourself and family if you have one.
    I was in the industry. You don't know what you are talking about, and politifact is not an acceptable counter.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I was in the industry. You don't know what you are talking about, and politifact is not an acceptable counter.
    Actually its a great counter and blows the other position right out of the water into oblivion with hard and simple reality.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually its a great counter and blows the other position right out of the water into oblivion with hard and simple reality.
    Yeah, okay. Politifact starts with a bias and goes from that initial point. They are unusable in a debate because of that.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Yeah, okay. Politifact starts with a bias and goes from that initial point. They are unusable in a debate because of that.
    Judge their facts that they report rather than if you approve of what ever political stance you feel they make have.

    If a hard core fascist, nazi, communist or the worst pedophile on the planet states that two plus two is four - it is still a fact regardless of who it comes from.

    To dismiss a source simply because you do not like what you perceive its politics to be without considering the information itself is a fallacy in thinking and a huge gaffe in actual debating tactics.

    this will help educate you about the source you are attacking

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politifact

    I found it interesting that they are ripped by both ends of the political continuum at various times and on various stories.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Judge their facts that they report rather than if you approve of what ever political stance you feel they make have.

    If a hard core fascist, nazi, communist or the worst pedophile on the planet states that two plus two is four - it is still a fact regardless of who it comes from.

    To dismiss a source simply because you do not like what you perceive its politics to be without considering the information itself is a fallacy in thinking and a huge gaffe in actual debating tactics.
    They don't have facts,they have biases it is a political organization, not a research or industry board. I'm done with you here, you like Moot are not an expert in this subject and not being honest.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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