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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The medically needed oral contraceptives tend to be more expensive, but then again they are medically needed and should absolutely be covered by insurance.
    I think this is the overall point. From my days in the insurance field I knew of a lot of ways to go around a denial without cheating the company or client, and if a physician determined a BC regimen was medically necessary companies with drug plans did tend to okay the coverage, it is true as well that those do tend to be more costly but from a numbers standpoint the medically necessary stuff was "rare", it was something like 1/6th of women with conditions such as endometriosis, severe hormonal imbalances during the period stage, etc.

    At those numbers the aggregate numbers were not unsustainable, under the new mandate it's a probability that the numbers will catch up.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Sorry, but we don't live in a theocracy and it was sexist to have an all male panel of bishops passing judgement on women's right to have control over their own bodies in the capitol of our country.
    This argument never had anything to do with women having “control over their own bodies”. It is all about women having a claim on other people's money.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    This argument never had anything to do with women having “control over their own bodies”. It is all about women having a claim on other people's money.
    Well, perhaps if those "other people" kept their noses out of women's vaginas then women wouldn't have to lay claim to those peoples money to help pay for kids they couldn't afford. Or did you mean not giving women equal pay for equal work or perhaps you meant lowering the minimum wage so they can't feed their kids?

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Then you should know why the word "uncertain" does not apply to it in your definition of insurance.
    It's not my definition.
    It is the definition of insurance.

    If pregnancy is not a loss, then it would preclude it from being insurable.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If pregnancy is not a loss, then it would preclude it from being insurable.
    It's a biological condition, so it's covered by insurance.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's a biological condition, so it's covered by insurance.
    Just because something is biological doesn't mean it should be covered.
    Look, I know that my position will never be adopted wide spread, I'm just a bit bitter how things are legislated, when it comes to insurance and coverage.

    To me, it defies the purpose of insurance.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Just because something is biological doesn't mean it should be covered.
    Why not?



    To me, it defies the purpose of insurance.
    Not according to the definition you yourself provided. The problem has been the way you've applied "uncertain" to the biological condition instead of the loss (which is inaccurate because the definition you'v provided applies said adjective to the loss, not the biological condition).

    Even if pregnancy is done by choice, the losses financial costs associated with it remain very uncertain. It fits the definition you provided perfectly.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Why not?
    Because not every biological condition is immense in cost.
    Going to have a mole removed is not thousands of dollars.

    It's pretty affordable.




    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Not according to the definition you yourself provided. The problem has been the way you've applied "uncertain" to the biological condition instead of the loss (which is inaccurate because the definition you'v provided applies said adjective to the loss, not the biological condition).

    Even if pregnancy is done by choice, the losses financial costs associated with it remain very uncertain. It fits the definition you provided perfectly.
    Insurance is to cover the costs of unforeseen incidences.
    Taking action and wanting to get pregnant, precludes the unforeseen.
    You now know, that if you deliver this fetus, the hospital will charge for it.
    It's known during the entire pregnancy.

    Complications from pregnancy are unforeseen and would make sense to cover.

    The costs of a standard pregnancy, with no complications can be calculated.
    You can actually get a quote on the costs.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Because not every biological condition is immense in cost.
    Going to have a mole removed is not thousands of dollars.

    It's pretty affordable.






    Insurance is to cover the costs of unforeseen incidences.
    Taking action and wanting to get pregnant, precludes the unforeseen.
    You now know, that if you deliver this fetus, the hospital will charge for it.
    It's known during the entire pregnancy.

    Complications from pregnancy are unforeseen and would make sense to cover.

    The costs of a standard pregnancy, with no complications can be calculated.
    You can actually get a quote on the costs.
    Dental care is expensive but last I checked we dont expect insurance companies to pay for toothbrush, paste, floss, mouthwash, etc. General cleanliness is important...so we COULD I suppose expect insurance companies to pay for soap and other personal cleaning supplies. Food...well...heck proper nutrition is CRITICAL...so...we can safwely assume that insurance companies should be providing free food and vitamins.

    Contraceptives are a personal use item. God bless em and like all other personal use items, their use should be recommended, advertised, even advocated. Oral birth control for women is prescribed for legitimate medical concerns and where it is it should be covered. Just for the sake of birth control is not a legitimate medical need and should not be covered by insurance, any more so than any piece of personal protective equipment such as helmets, glasses and gloves for motorcycle riders.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Because not every biological condition is immense in cost.
    Going to have a mole removed is not thousands of dollars.

    It's pretty affordable.
    Well that logic certainly doesn't describe pregnancy.






    Insurance is to cover the costs of unforeseen incidences.
    Why are you changing your definition? Was there something wrong with the one you used earlier? I mean, aside from the fact that if you stick with that definition, you can't make the argument you are making.

    Before you wondered why I said your arguments were dishonest. The fact that you cannot stick with one definition in order to make them is why.
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