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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Tucker, it is not nonsense. The nonsense is the claim that it is cost neutral, it is not, the numbers do not hold up which is why it isn't covered by every company to begin with.
    I didn't say it was cost neutral. The cost you pay for services could certainly increase (although in this particular case, not all that significantly), but that just means that the cost of the services you receive has increased. It's been happening at an alarming rate without this mandate anyway, and this mandate will not have a large impact on the cost either.

    As far as complaints about rising costs of health insurance go, mandating BC is WAY down on the list.

    Not a proper analogy. Tucker, let me explain it again, when you join a risk pool you agree to covered/not covered and you also agree to whatever conditions are contained in the policy. This means you pay to be risked with everyone else agreeing to be in the pool and you pay for the pool, meaning whatever liabilities the company incurs. So no matter what Obama and Sebilius claim YES you do pay for a birth control mandate.
    You pay a pittance for the BC mandate, but you do not pay for others BC (just like you don't pay for anyone else's cancer treatments). You pay for the services you are receiving.

    Saying "My costs for health insurance could increase slightly because of the BC mandate" is very different from saying "The BC mandate means I have to pay for other people's birth control".

    One is an honest and accurate statement, the other is saying you pay for other people's birth control.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    And risk tables show that fewer than 58% of women using birth control use it for reasons other than birth control? Do you have a link?
    You know what, do your own homework. It should be painfully obvious what the main usage of contraceptives are, it's in the name. Realistically you are trying to be difficult here and when I left the industry I got rid of all my info due to burnout issues, I'm not digging again. There isn't even a copay requirement in the law so companies are on the hook MORE for birth control pills than statin drugs, my numbers hold up.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I didn't say it was cost neutral. The cost you pay for services could certainly increase (although in this particular case, not all that significantly), but that just means that the cost of the services you receive has increased. It's been happening at an alarming rate without this mandate anyway, and this mandate will not have a large impact on the cost either.

    As far as complaints about rising costs of health insurance go, mandating BC is WAY down on the list.



    You pay a pittance for the BC mandate, but you do not pay for others BC (just like you don't pay for anyone else's cancer treatments). You pay for the services you are receiving.

    Saying "My costs for health insurance could increase slightly because of the BC mandate" is very different from saying "The BC mandate means I have to pay for other people's birth control".

    One is an honest and accurate statement, the other is saying you pay for other people's birth control.
    Tuck, no one should be forced to pay for electives by law, period.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You know what, do your own homework. It should be painfully obvious what the main usage of contraceptives are, it's in the name. Realistically you are trying to be difficult here and when I left the industry I got rid of all my info due to burnout issues, I'm not digging again. There isn't even a copay requirement in the law so companies are on the hook MORE for birth control pills than statin drugs, my numbers hold up.
    I already did my own research. You suggested that it was invalid, and now you can't be bothered to demonstrate why? That's pretty pathetic, dude.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    I already did my own research. You suggested that it was invalid, and now you can't be bothered to demonstrate why? That's pretty pathetic, dude.
    Your research is based upon third party information. I don't accept it based upon my recent work history in the industry, you make claims that the birth control mandate is a sum good, you have to back that up because frankly the real numbers suck in the aggregate.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Your research is based upon third party information. I don't accept it based upon my recent work history in the industry, you make claims that the birth control mandate is a sum good, you have to back that up because frankly the real numbers suck in the aggregate.
    All research is based upon third party information. Someone conducts a study, people quote that study. You keep talking about "real numbers" but so far all I've seen is bluster and repeated references to your work "in the indusry." For all I know, you cleaned the floors. Why on earth would I provide you with any more information at this point when you've consistently refused to provide yours?

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    All research is based upon third party information.
    Incorrect, risk tables in insurance are directly compiled by the actuarial department.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Tuck, no one should be forced to pay for electives by law, period.

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    is paying for electives if they don't elect to have them. Period.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post

    Nobody
    is paying for electives if they don't elect to have them. Period.
    Incorrect. You pay for everything covered in the policy.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Incorrect, risk tables in insurance are directly compiled by the actuarial department.
    Great. Prove me wrong then. While you're at it, why not address any or all of the other arguments I've made?

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