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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I would have to say that passing a law requiring an entire industry to adopt a particular practice certainly calls for there being some fairly solid evidence that this practice will have the desired effect.
    While I would not argue for command and control measures, we've seen the desired effect in pretty much every country that BC became easily accessable.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    We've only seen it used as a political issue. This doesn't prove that there is not a valid underlying concern, that calls for some government policy to address, but the burden certainly should belong on those who wish to claim that there is such a need calling for such a policy, to prove it.
    It's pretty straightforward, really. In addition to the obvious public policy benefits of reducing unwanted pregnancies by providing women with free access to something they might not otherwise be able to afford, birth control pills are used by women for a variety of non-pregnancy related issues (e.g. menstrual cramps, endometriosis, etc). In fact apparently slightly more than half of all women who use birth control use it at least partially for non-pregnancy reasons (I've personally had a couple of girlfriends who have done so). These are legitimate health concerns, and given that many if not most women (and men as well) have limited amounts of control over where they receive medical treatment, it makes sense to require that this basic women's health treatment be made available in all medical facilities, and be provided by all insurers.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Because it is. Even Ms Fluke admitted SHE was covered through her religious schools insurance policy for medical indicated birth control. Her whole reason de force was some fabricated 'friend' that was allegedly denied contraceptives...and not by the school, or even by an insurance company, but by a drug store. Go watch her 'testimony' and in it she ADMITS that she as a student at the catholic school is actually covered. So where is the issue? Insurance companies are not en masse denying people legitimate medical needs birth control. The ONLY reason this came up in the first place was the current administration attempted to force the Catholic Church to change their policy.
    Actually, it was the other way around. The Catholic bishops have been trying to assert themselves into the political arena for years in order to try and remain relevant in the modern age. It was the Bishops who were attempting to force the government to change it's policy of separation of church and state and to force private insurance companys to stop offering birth control not only for Catholic hospital employees but for any business in the private sector.

    It's not the public that will be paying for birth control pills, it's the insurance companys.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Obviously it's politically driven, but that doesn't mean the underlying concern isn't valid. Why do you think it isn't?
    Because birth control isn't necessary to preserve health or life, which is what policies are supposed to pay for. This equates to people wanting "freebies" mandated.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    How many times do you need to hear this before it sinks in? It is cheaper for ins cos. to provide free birth control than to pay for the results of not including it.
    This has nothing to do with money, it is purely about religous predjudice about contraception. The church wants us to pay more to legislate their religous convictions.
    That is unacceptable according to our Constitution PERIOD.
    You have no clue here. It is not cheaper in aggregate numbers, it isn't cheaper when demand for the "freebies" goes up, and either way it's not my responsibility to pay for it, which is what happens in mandated coverage. This isn't religious, it's numbers.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Because birth control isn't necessary to preserve health or life, which is what policies are supposed to pay for. This equates to people wanting "freebies" mandated.
    Take a look at post #601 for my response to that.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Take a look at post #601 for my response to that.
    I worked in the industry. If it was medically necessary it would be waivered in to coverage with a simple call from the person's doctor, it's not the issue you think it is.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I worked in the industry. If it was medically necessary it would be waivered in to coverage with a simple call from the person's doctor, it's not the issue you think it is.
    I didn't say it was medically necessary, just medically useful. Also good public policy.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    I didn't say it was medically necessary, just medically useful. Also good public policy.
    Now you know that that is not why it's a popular mandate, it's a lifestyle "medication" it's basic hormonal therapy but OPTIONAL, it's an elective treatment which is why it wasn't universally covered by the industry. As I will restate and you haven't attempted to counter, when it was deemed medically necessary by a doctor companies would cover it as a general rule, so why then other than a niche political stunt would it need to be mandated? Unless it's to buy off a segment of the voters, which is the WORST type of policy.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You have no clue here. It is not cheaper in aggregate numbers, it isn't cheaper when demand for the "freebies" goes up, and either way it's not my responsibility to pay for it, which is what happens in mandated coverage. This isn't religious, it's numbers.
    Sorry but cheaper means cheaper. Like most preventative medicine is. It is not rocket science.

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