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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    How is it a pretend issue?
    It was an invented problem created as a political platform. Fluke herself is an exposed political operative, it's a bull**** issue.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It was an invented problem created as a political platform. Fluke herself is an exposed political operative, it's a bull**** issue.
    Obviously it's politically driven, but that doesn't mean the underlying concern isn't valid. Why do you think it isn't?

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    How is it a pretend issue?
    Because it is. Even Ms Fluke admitted SHE was covered through her religious schools insurance policy for medical indicated birth control. Her whole reason de force was some fabricated 'friend' that was allegedly denied contraceptives...and not by the school, or even by an insurance company, but by a drug store. Go watch her 'testimony' and in it she ADMITS that she as a student at the catholic school is actually covered. So where is the issue? Insurance companies are not en masse denying people legitimate medical needs birth control. The ONLY reason this came up in the first place was the current administration attempted to force the Catholic Church to change their policy.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The ONLY reason this came up in the first place was the current administration attempted to force the Catholic Church to change their policy.
    And why isn't that a legitimate concern?

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    And why isn't that a legitimate concern?
    Are you serious? 1-not everyone is Catholic. 2-the government doesnt have a right to dictate to churches on their position, 3-As Ms Fluke herself admitted as a student at a catholic education institution she was NOT DENIED coverage. 4-Every citizen has the right to obtain private insurance and cover whatever the heck they want.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Yes, but as I have stated that was already allowable with a simple physician's waiver before the mandate. Why now is it mandated for elective? IOW the medically necessary was already covered, now it doesn't matter and we all have to pay for some lifestyle choices.
    How many times do you need to hear this before it sinks in? It is cheaper for ins cos. to provide free birth control than to pay for the results of not including it.
    This has nothing to do with money, it is purely about religous predjudice about contraception. The church wants us to pay more to legislate their religous convictions.
    That is unacceptable according to our Constitution PERIOD.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Are you serious? 1-not everyone is Catholic. 2-the government doesnt have a right to dictate to churches on their position, 3-As Ms Fluke herself admitted as a student at a catholic education institution she was NOT DENIED coverage. 4-Every citizen has the right to obtain private insurance and cover whatever the heck they want.
    The government certainly has the right to enforce uniform standards for how health insurance operates to the extent that their are legitimate public health concerns in place. That's certainly the case here. There are any number of contexts in which genuine issues of public policty trump religious dogma. This is one such issue. The CHA would exempt not just actual churches, but Catholic run hospitals from the birth control mandate. This creates very real health concerns for any woman who relies on such services.
    Last edited by Aderleth; 09-06-12 at 04:37 PM.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    There is a variation of this conversation that seems to be going nowhere in some circles, here is a made up example:

    Person X: Women are being denied birth control!

    Person Y: No they are not, it is just about who is paying for it, and tax payers or an insurance company shouldn’t be forced to pay for a woman’s birth control pills or a man’s condoms. Individuals should pay for it themselves; it does not cost a lot.

    Person Y: You are denying women birth control that way!

    Person X: No, men and women can easily get birth control. It is a matter of who is paying for it. Insurance can’t cover every little thing; otherwise insurance premiums would cost a fortune. And as far as tax payers paying for it (through the government)--that is an unneeded entitlement for the government to be providing, especially since individuals can easily pay it themselves 99% of the time.

    Person Y: Insurance companies or the government should pay for birth control!

    Person X: Why?

    Person Y: Because women need access to birth control!

    And around and around it goes.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    There is no definitive conclusion that BC would, in fact, save insurance companies money; therefore, no evidence exists?

    You're one of those "my default position must be proven wrong 100% before I will respect another opinion" guys?
    I would have to say that passing a law requiring an entire industry to adopt a particular practice certainly calls for there being some fairly solid evidence that this practice will have the desired effect.

    If there is reason to think that a given practice “might” have a desired effect, it is much better to leave it to those in that industry to choose on a more individual basis whether to implement it or not. If some insurance companies choose to cover birth control, then others can later choose to do so or not based on the results of those that initially chose to do so.

    If no insurance companies make that choice, then I would have to take it as pretty solid evidence that the experts within those companies—who are certainly more qualified than anyone in government to make such a determination—have determined that that choice is unlikely to produce a desired result.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Obviously it's politically driven, but that doesn't mean the underlying concern isn't valid. Why do you think it isn't?
    We've only seen it used as a political issue. This doesn't prove that there is not a valid underlying concern, that calls for some government policy to address, but the burden certainly should belong on those who wish to claim that there is such a need calling for such a policy, to prove it.
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