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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I look at it from the insurance company's perspective. I'm pretty sure that insurance to cover the baby under the family's policy does not cost as much as the baby will cost the insurance company, on average. Insurance companies are probably better off with more customers using BC instead of having (especially unexpected) babies.

    Perhaps that's not how the mechanics of the insurance (nor car) industry works, but it seems to me that 'preventative maintenance' is generally a positive net income. Should people do their own preventative maintenance for their own good? Sure. But if I were an insurance company, I'd consider promoting customers to do it for the company's financial benefit.
    Tell me how many people, who can afford insurance, can not afford birth control.
    Once we have these numbers, then we can decide if it will actually reduce the incidence of unwanted pregnancies.

    Until then, this point is poppy cock.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Tell me how many people, who can afford insurance, can not afford birth control.
    Once we have these numbers, then we can decide if it will actually reduce the incidence of unwanted pregnancies.

    Until then, this point is poppy cock.
    Single mothers who already have children and work for a living but make just above the poverty line in income, which is probably quite a FEW people.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Tell me how many people, who can afford insurance, can not afford birth control.
    Once we have these numbers, then we can decide if it will actually reduce the incidence of unwanted pregnancies.

    Until then, this point is poppy cock.
    Nonsense. The point is encouraging people to employ preventative maintenance. Them being able to afford it alone is irrelevant to company profits; what is relevant to company profits is if they actually do it, and that's what (I think) insurance companies should be interested in actively promoting.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Single mothers who already have children and work for a living but make just above the poverty line in income, which is probably quite a FEW people.
    Generally speaking, she won't have to worry too much because her kids will likely able to qualify for reduced or free coverage through SCHIP and/or Medicaid.
    Leaving her to be the only one insured, if you count the EITC refundable tax credits, which people at her income level get in the thousands.

    I'm pretty sure she has the ability to purchase her own birth control.
    Actually, I'm betting it's not that many people.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Nonsense. The point is encouraging people to employ preventative maintenance. Them being able to afford it alone is irrelevant to company profits; what is relevant to company profits is if they actually do it, and that's what (I think) insurance companies should be interested in actively promoting.
    So giving people free stuff, makes them value it more?
    That's kinda contradictory you know.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Generally speaking, she won't have to worry too much because her kids will likely able to qualify for reduced or free coverage through SCHIP and/or Medicaid.
    Leaving her to be the only one insured, if you count the EITC refundable tax credits, which people at her income level get in the thousands.

    I'm pretty sure she has the ability to purchase her own birth control.
    Actually, I'm betting it's not that many people.
    The point is making access easier though. Yes, people can go to Planned Parenthood and get a voucher or whatever, but people will be people, and making access easier will ensure more people are actually using birth control. We should also start sex education and the importance of birth control much, much earlier to kind of drill into the little heads.

    I don't see how someone being able to access something without insurance is a con to having the premium pay for it either. I agree with Eco that it would help ENCOURAGE more people to use it, which would be a good thing. Some medications that are preventative are already covered by insurance companies, and a lot of insurance companies already cover birth control (from what I've heard), so I really don't see what the problem is. Unless someone can show me where it increased premiums across the board exponentially.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    It's not free if your paying for it through your insurance.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So giving people free stuff, makes them value it more?
    That's kinda contradictory you know.
    I didn't say free; I don't believe in free stuff. Who believes that anything is free? This is highschool level crap.

    My premise is that providing BC will be a net positive income for an insurance company. As the insurance company, I don't give a crap what people value. What I care about is promoting preventative maintenance for increased company profits.

    Will you grasp the point or will you fall back, once again, on highschool economy class slogans.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The point is making access easier though. Yes, people can go to Planned Parenthood and get a voucher or whatever, but people will be people, and making access easier will ensure more people are actually using birth control. We should also start sex education and the importance of birth control much, much earlier to kind of drill into the little heads.

    I don't see how someone being able to access something without insurance is a con to having the premium pay for it either. I agree with Eco that it would help ENCOURAGE more people to use it, which would be a good thing. Some medications that are preventative are already covered by insurance companies, and a lot of insurance companies already cover birth control (from what I've heard), so I really don't see what the problem is. Unless someone can show me where it increased premiums across the board exponentially.
    But the evidence just doesn't exist to demonstrably support this position.
    You're just hoping it does.

    Crafting legislation on "I hope it works" is dumb.

    For reference see this,

    Quote Originally Posted by FactCheck
    So where does all this leave us? We of course take no position on whether contraception should be covered or not, or if so, by whom. What we can say is this: The administration hasn’t proven that requiring insurance companies to provide free contraception on request will save them enough in medical costs to make the net costs zero or less. But by the same token, the president’s critics can’t prove that he’s wrong, either.


    FactCheck.org : Cloudy Contraception Costs
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I didn't say free; I don't believe in free stuff. Who believes that anything is free? This is highschool level crap.

    My premise is that providing BC will be a net positive income for an insurance company. As the insurance company, I don't give a crap what people value. What I care about is promoting preventative maintenance for increased company profits.

    Are you capable of grasping the point, or will you fall back, once again, on highschool economy class slogans.
    Sorry I should of quoted "free."
    I figured you'd understand that.....

    Anyway, The fact check article shows that there is no clear evidence that this will be cost effective for anything.
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