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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Do you understand that the statements followed some semblance of chronological order? Nope. Nope, you do not. You did not, because you didn't understand my post.
    It doesn't look like you understand your posts, either. Explain how employer provided insurance doesn't provide bc coverage if its a state mandate.

    There wasn't. Not for employers. What you cited was about Medicaid, not private insurance. This, too, appears to be something beyond your comprehension. Do you know what Medicaid is? It appears you may not.
    I cited the state mandates and you have cited....nothing.


    That's just plain idiotic. Even your own link -- the law review case note -- drew a distinction between the two, further evidencing that you didn't even read it.
    Then quote it and show me the distinction.

    The ramblings of someone who 1) doesn't understand simple words in front of her (like "employers" and "Medicaid") and 2) doesn't even bother to read the very things she herself posts as "evidence" do not make me "wrong."
    If you spent as much time speaking coherently and rationally as you do insulting and spewing garbage then you might have a point. But you don't.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    If you pay a premium you are paying for everything covered in the policy. If you have a prescription drugs rider you are paying for your own and other's pharmalogical products covered, if you don't add the rider or buy a policy that has said coverage you aren't paying for anyone's medicine. With the mandate you are now paying for birth control for others because it is a federal mandate.
    No, you are paying for your health insurance.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    No, you are paying for your health insurance.
    And everything that the policy contains. I was in the industry Tuck, there are no freebies in a policy.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It doesn't look like you understand your posts, either. Explain how employer provided insurance doesn't provide bc coverage if its a state mandate.
    Crikey. The mandate you cite was for MEDICAID. Your inability to comprehend this baffles me.


    I cited the state mandates and you have cited....nothing.
    On MEDICAID. Good grief, you DON'T know what Medicaid is.


    Then quote it and show me the distinction.
    It mentioned birth control once as a separate thing, and then it never mentioned birth control again:

    Furthermore, the states asserted that the mandate placed them in the “untenable position of covering Viagra for men while virtually none of them
    cover birth control or infertility treatments for women.”
    Which you might have known if you had ever read it. But you didn't. You just posted it on the title alone.


    If you spent as much time speaking coherently and rationally as you do insulting and spewing garbage then you might have a point. But you don't.
    Oh, OK. "I know you are, but what am I?" At least didn't type out the baby talk phonetically this time, so you're improving a tiny bit.

    Anyway, that's all I require from you here. No more time to waste on you.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    And everything that the policy contains. I was in the industry Tuck, there are no freebies in a policy.
    Of course. You are paying for the services that you receive. They pool the money (as well as make a tidy profit) so that the business can work, but you don't pay for anyone else's ****.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Of course. You are paying for the services that you receive. They pool the money (as well as make a tidy profit) so that the business can work, but you don't pay for anyone else's ****.
    You are paying for access to the risk pool, everything allowed for in the policy is weighted towards that. Technically you pay for someone else's heart attack and surgeries but if you are in the same situation then alternately it will be payed by those likewise paying into the pool. This is not company specific either, many companies reinsure so you could actually be paying for your risk pool and a portion of the company you didn't go with. Think about it, do you think if you pay for a policy for five years, get cancer which requires aggressive treatment(heaven forbid) and pay your total OOP that you have accumulated those multiple thousands of dollars in premium? No, but what you have done is insured that there is a pool of money to dip into should that happen, drug coverage is sort of like that, you may not use an asthma inhaler, or statin drugs but are paying for them with the rider fee and the specific things you need will likewise be paid by everyone else in the rider. Birth control is not medically necessary(nor is Viagra) and a waiver in such a case could be issued with a physician issuing a simple statement of need for health purposes, if it's mandatory then you are paying for something you never will have use for.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You are paying for access to the risk pool, everything allowed for in the policy is weighted towards that.
    Exactly. You pay for the services that you can receive. The insurance company pools the money they collect from people who wish to have those services in order to pay for the services. the only thing you pay for is access to the services though. Once the money leaves your possession, it becomes the insurance companies money, which it then uses for providing those services.

    Saying that you pay for other people's services is like saying you pay for other people's coffee when you buy a cup of joe at a diner because some portion of the money you paid goes into a pool that the diner then uses to purchase their products which they then provide to their customers.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Exactly. You pay for the services that you can receive. The insurance company pools the money they collect from people who wish to have those services in order to pay for the services. the only thing you pay for is access to the services though. Once the money leaves your possession, it becomes the insurance companies money, which it then uses for providing those services.

    Saying that you pay for other people's services is like saying you pay for other people's coffee when you buy a cup of joe at a diner because some portion of the money you paid goes into a pool that the diner then uses to purchase their products which they then provide to their customers.
    No Tucker, the two points aren't related. You agree to contract with an insurance company, this means they owe you covered services plus everyone else. I have no problem with companies providing a birth control rider of their own free choice, at that point if I thought it was a big enough issue I could simply find an alternative or not take the rider. Where I have a problem is the mandated coverage of it, this takes my choices away and forces me to pay for things I have no need of. If I buy a cup of coffee I am paying for the portion in the cup specifically and the service to myself, it's an individual purchase. The difference is the risk pool is "access only" and it is determined whether the company will accept an application as acceptable or not.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    No Tucker, the two points aren't related. You agree to contract with an insurance company, this means they owe you covered services plus everyone else. I have no problem with companies providing a birth control rider of their own free choice, at that point if I thought it was a big enough issue I could simply find an alternative or not take the rider. Where I have a problem is the mandated coverage of it, this takes my choices away and forces me to pay for things I have no need of. If I buy a cup of coffee I am paying for the portion in the cup specifically and the service to myself, it's an individual purchase. The difference is the risk pool is "access only" and it is determined whether the company will accept an application as acceptable or not.
    You won't have to pay for birth control.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    You won't have to pay for birth control.
    Sure do, it's mandated. It goes into the premium.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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