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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    is pregnancy not a medical issue? so cost is the issue to you?
    Pregnancy is actually stupid to cover with insurance, in my opinion.
    It's a purposeful medical condition.
    Now complications from pregnancy, should be covered.

    How can an insurer, insure against you getting pregnant, if you're going to anyway.

    The issue is, that insurance is for mitigating risk.
    For us, the risk is the cost of getting medical care, for serious, life threatening issues.
    Not for every day, easy to afford things like birth control.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Pregnancy is actually stupid to cover with insurance, in my opinion.
    It's a purposeful medical condition.
    Now complications from pregnancy, should be covered.

    How can an insurer, insure against you getting pregnant, if you're going to anyway.

    The issue is, that insurance is for mitigating risk.
    For us, the risk is the cost of getting medical care, for serious, life threatening issues.
    Not for every day, easy to afford things like birth control.
    is not being able to get an erection a life threatening issue, or is it more a 'quality of life' issue? i find it simply amazing that we are willing to pay to help a guy get an erection, but not for the birth control that could prevent a pregnancy that would could arise from said erection....we are willing to pay for a man's pleasure, but not for the medication that would allow allow the woman to enjoy as well without the risk of pregnancy.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Harry I asked because many who argue against insurance coverage of BC don't use it.

    As an aside, my wife has used The Pill and we paid out of pocket for it.

    Now I asked about the other medications and long term maintenance are routinely covered and don't have the controversy Birth Control does. I don't recall Libertarians making maintenance drugs an issue when it comes to insurance over the years, well not until the focus became birth control coverage at the national level as a matter of Democrat policy.

    It is difficult to keep up on the current numbers but at one time 20 states, to include AZ, had some form of mandate requiring insurance companies to provide birth control coverage. State populations being what they are it means roughly 50% of US women have some sort of birth control plan under insurance. So this coverage 'controversy' didn't just suddenly appear.

    Hell, I don't recall there being a big fuss over this at all until it became a federal level issue.

    Just seems odd that suddenly paying for birth control through insurance is such a philosophical issue when so many other maintenance drugs and healthcare equipment has been routinely covered by insurance.

    Oh one other thing- "we can afford it" is highly subjective, that some can afford to pay out of pocket doesn't set the benchmark for a nation.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    is not being able to get an erection a life threatening issue, or is it more a 'quality of life' issue? i find it simply amazing that we are willing to pay to help a guy get an erection, but not for the birth control that could prevent a pregnancy that would could arise from said erection....we are willing to pay for a man's pleasure, but not for the medication that would allow allow the woman to enjoy as well without the risk of pregnancy.
    Sure it's a quality of life issue.
    I have to make compromises for some things, because no one really understands the purpose of insurance and why it shouldn't cover things like birth control or Viagra.
    But for the sake of expediency, I accept some medication coverage.

    The numbers I looked up show that Viagra costs around $1400 for a 100 count bottle, where the pill is generally $30 a month.
    The cost comparison shows that Viagra is not affordable for many people, but birth control is affordable to the vast majority of people.

    This is all beside the fact that, insured women tend to be middle or upper income people and they can already afford their birth control.
    Which means this is highly unlikely that it will prevent any additional pregnancies.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Harry I asked because many who argue against insurance coverage of BC don't use it.

    As an aside, my wife has used The Pill and we paid out of pocket for it.

    Now I asked about the other medications and long term maintenance are routinely covered and don't have the controversy Birth Control does. I don't recall Libertarians making maintenance drugs an issue when it comes to insurance over the years, well not until the focus became birth control coverage at the national level as a matter of Democrat policy.

    It is difficult to keep up on the current numbers but at one time 20 states, to include AZ, had some form of mandate requiring insurance companies to provide birth control coverage. State populations being what they are it means roughly 50% of US women have some sort of birth control plan under insurance. So this coverage 'controversy' didn't just suddenly appear.

    Hell, I don't recall there being a big fuss over this at all until it became a federal level issue.

    Just seems odd that suddenly paying for birth control through insurance is such a philosophical issue when so many other maintenance drugs and healthcare equipment has been routinely covered by insurance.

    Oh one other thing- "we can afford it" is highly subjective, that some can afford to pay out of pocket doesn't set the benchmark for a nation.
    I want insurance to offer more options and choices, so we can have lower premiums for those who want it.
    Mandating everything under the sun, only causes premiums to rise.
    Sure, in each instance it's only 1% here and there, but 100 1%'s add up.

    I want my insurance to not cover, birth control, pregnancy, Viagra, mental health care (not resulting from traumatic brain injury), alcohol and drug abuse, etc.
    Why?
    Because I have absolutely no need for it and I shouldn't have to pay for it.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Here are some pros to having BC covered under your health insurance plan: Birth control is preventative medicine. Pregnancy is a medical condition which can be accompanied by complications and is a LOT more expensive than birth control, so preventing some pregnancies may actually help. Also, it makes it easier to access for lower income women. Even if it is relatively cheap, why not just have it covered under your health insurance plan that you have to pay for anyway. In the long run, preventing unwanted pregnancies will decrease abortions and some occurrences of child abuse. In the long run, we could save some taxpayer dollars for social service programs that many pregnant women receive.

    The only con I have seen mentioned so far is insurance premiums might be more and moral and/or religious objections to it.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Here are some pros to having BC covered under your health insurance plan: Birth control is preventative medicine. Pregnancy is a medical condition which can be accompanied by complications and is a LOT more expensive than birth control, so preventing some pregnancies may actually help. Also, it makes it easier to access for lower income women. Even if it is relatively cheap, why not just have it covered under your health insurance plan that you have to pay for anyway. In the long run, preventing unwanted pregnancies will decrease abortions and some occurrences of child abuse. In the long run, we could save some taxpayer dollars for social service programs that many pregnant women receive.

    The only con I have seen mentioned so far is insurance premiums might be more and moral and/or religious objections to it.
    You have to show, that adding birth control to insurance, will actually prevent more pregnancies.
    Hawaii did this and there was an increase of 300 births.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I want insurance to offer more options and choices, so we can have lower premiums for those who want it.
    Mandating everything under the sun, only causes premiums to rise.
    Sure, in each instance it's only 1% here and there, but 100 1%'s add up.

    I want my insurance to not cover, birth control, pregnancy, Viagra, mental health care (not resulting from traumatic brain injury), alcohol and drug abuse, etc.
    Why?
    Because I have absolutely no need for it and I shouldn't have to pay for it.
    so, because you have' no need for it', you shouldnt pay for it...you do realize that you are pooled with other people to spread risk around, right? you understand that what you 'need', may be different from others in that risk pool, correct?

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You have to show, that adding birth control to insurance, will actually prevent more pregnancies.
    Hawaii did this and there was an increase of 300 births.
    Check out this link.

    Honolulu Civil Beat - FACT CHECK

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ms. Fluke is not a teen. She's a grown woman who can pay her own bills.
    Well Jerry, in that particular post I was speaking more generally.

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