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Thread: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    oh yeah and it also helps many women improve some of thier health issues.



    is there any solid reasons why it shouldn't be covered as opposed to other things already covered?
    Some might make the argument that if the insurance companies (or government) are going to be 'mandated' to provide non-medically indicated birth control, then why not also soap, mouthwash, toothbrushes, dental floss, Q-tips, hydrogen peroxide, alcohol, facial scrubs or any other toiletry? Or for that matter...food is pretty 'medically indicated' as a need...why not force coverage of basic food? Also water...shelter....those should be mandated to be covered. And can we go naked? No...of course not...so clothes and shoes. And lets not forget coats in the winter. And since cell phones are so much a part of everyones lives...a basic cellphone with service as well...just the bare essentials.

    Birth Control that has been medically prescribed is not even in question and never has been. Ms Fluke made an activist appeal regarding 'birth control' to demonstrate a 'war on women' after the government tried to force the Catholic Church to accept contraceptives. It is still ignored that the whole time the argument was being waged, she herself was COVERED by the Catholic school she was attending for medically prescribed birth control. In essence...she said...hey...this isnt a problem, but pretend it was...now...look how evil those bad republicans are for denying me contraceptives...if they actually did deny me contraceptives. Why it is (or rather would be) a war on women!!

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, poor women according to the poverty thresholds set.

    2012 Poverty Guidelines for the
    48 Contiguous States and the District of Columbia
    Persons in
    family/household Poverty guideline
    1 $11,170
    2 15,130
    3 19,090
    4 23,050
    5 27,010
    6 30,970
    7 34,930
    8 38,890
    For families/households with more than 8 persons,
    add $3,960 for each additional person.

    So a family of four that makes 24,000 a year is not considered to be in poverty and not entitled to assistance.
    State health departments tend to price based on income, making $24k a year for a family of four can net you a serious discount.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    So what? What about other insurance covered medications? Do you think they shouldn't be covered because they are affordable? Or, are you a true Libertarian like Lizzie and this everyone should cover their own drug costs, period?
    I don't think this way because I'm a libertarian, I think this way because it's the freaking way insurance is supposed to work.
    Maintenance meds like birth control, should not be covered.

    It defies the whole purpose of insuring someone.
    You can't insure against something that is going to happen, every single month.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Harry-
    So no insurance for asthma, diabetes, allergies, migraines, cholesterol, high blood pressure...

    Seems an arbitrary line you draw, is it safe to bet your beloved doesn't use birth control?

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think everyone agrees that you should pay for your own children, but that is unrealistic because they just don't. We are still going to have teen pregnancies. I think (not sure though) that pregnant teens and teen mothers probably make up a HUGE percentage of those on public assistance. I don't know what else anyone would suggest. Charity is a nice thought, but there just aren't enough people giving to help everybody.
    Ms. Fluke is not a teen. She's a grown woman who can pay her own bills.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ms. Fluke is not a teen. She's a grown woman who can pay her own bills.
    she's 30. she's older than I am and I'm a father twice over for cripes sake.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Harry-
    So no insurance for asthma, diabetes, allergies, migraines, cholesterol, high blood pressure...
    Tell me how maintenance medications are insurable events?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Seems an arbitrary line you draw, is it safe to bet your beloved doesn't use birth control?
    How is it arbitrary?
    The contraceptives my wife and I use, are not material to this discussion.
    We are talking about why insurance companies should/should not cover contraceptives.

    P.S.
    I can pay for contraceptives without the need of insurance companies buying them for me.
    It's not like they're expensive in the first place.
    And it's not like my argument is against the use of contraceptives, it's against it being purchased through a 3rd party payer.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Tell me how maintenance medications are insurable events?



    How is it arbitrary?
    The contraceptives my wife and I use, are not material to this discussion.
    We are talking about why insurance companies should/should not cover contraceptives.

    P.S.
    I can pay for contraceptives without the need of insurance companies buying them for me.
    It's not like they're expensive in the first place.
    And it's not like my argument is against the use of contraceptives, it's against it being purchased through a 3rd party payer.
    do you support insurance paying for viagra?

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    do you support insurance paying for viagra?
    Depends.
    Medication coverage have to pass a few tests, before I can get on board.

    1. Is it affordable, without a subsidy or cost sharing arrangement.
    2. Is it for treating a real medical condition, (like birth control is with regulating women's periods, making them less painful, etc.)

    If it is affordable, insurance shouldn't cover it.
    If it isn't for treating a medical condition, insurance should not cover it.

    Preventing pregnancy, is not a medical condition.
    Birth control is affordable.
    It shouldn't be covered, end of story.

    Viagra is for treating a medical condition.
    If Viagra is similar in cost to birth control, it should not be covered.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Depends.
    Medication coverage have to pass a few tests, before I can get on board.

    1. Is it affordable, without a subsidy or cost sharing arrangement.
    2. Is it for treating a real medical condition, (like birth control is with regulating women's periods, making them less painful, etc.)

    If it is affordable, insurance shouldn't cover it.
    If it isn't for treating a medical condition, insurance should not cover it.

    Preventing pregnancy, is not a medical condition.
    Birth control is affordable.
    It shouldn't be covered, end of story.

    Viagra is for treating a medical condition.
    If Viagra is similar in cost to birth control, it should not be covered.
    is pregnancy not a medical issue? so cost is the issue to you?

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